Got criticized by cts for this one
 

cts (MUCKEM) is super aggressive and has an extremly wide opening range, esp since UTG was a total donk. I figured that he has to think it's a good flop to c-bet, plus my check-raise should make him lay down a weak T/88/99. I'm obv screwed if he has an overpair, but I was done with the hand if called anyway.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $552.75
CO: $1000
Button: $1904
SB: $1164.50
Hero: $1651.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $45</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($140, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $90</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $250</font>...

Your thoughts?

Kirk

PS. Try not to attempt and "guess" results, then post from that. You'll be wrong anyway.

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

You reraised he pushed you called he lost. the end?

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i'd raise more if you're going to do it. occasionally plays like this are fine.

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Being that Villian is super aggro, and probably realizes it(meaning that he knows you view him that way) then a check-raise by you on flop might actually appear to him as a sign of partial weakness. I mean most people nowadays advocate leadin into aggro raiser with big hand and/or check callin...check/raising theoretically usually indicates either a complete bluff. or perhaps hand with some sort of weakness that you want to take pot down quickly with. unless of course you are a donk, or use it purposely with strength to mix it up a bit.

The question you have to ask yourself would you have check-raised here with a set? if the answer is no, then you are allowing him to put you on a hand that he can get you off of.

Perhaps a better line to indicate strength would be to lead out, and if he raises as most aggro do, come back and 3-bet him strong. he will almost certainly or alteast should let go of stronger hands than you. any thoughts?

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With a donkey UTG player in between us and a drawy board, it is unlikely you would do this with anything other than a bluff (which 77 is obviously).

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You reraised he pushed you called he lost. the end?

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learn to read HHs

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i'm not sure how many better hands fold to this raise. only a few slightly higher pairs, maybe (and even they might stick around on this flop, which is quite prone to being semibluffed). also, many draws may call, and have the advantage of position and your hand being too weak to continue betting safely.

of course, you'll chase off naked overcards or weak draws or underpairs much of the time, but you're already ahead of them. not to say that c/c is necessarily the best play either.

basically, i think you're putting too much money in here in a slim raising situation, and most of his draws that call will win, whether by getting there or by pushing you off later in the hand.

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With a donkey UTG player in between us and a drawy board, it is unlikely you would do this with anything other than a bluff (which 77 is obviously).

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oops, i didn't even notice the other guy. i retract my earlier statement.

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

What exactly is your goal with this checkraise? As in, what are you trying to make fold/call/raise? What will he put you on, etc?



It's one of those spots where it seems like he'll fold the worst hand or push/call a better hand. He also might push a worse hand. Either way, wtf do you do if he doesnt fold? Is this a pure bluff?

Meh?

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you c/red he called or pushed and you folded? i dont even know. like others i hate the c/r though, leading or c/c is way better.

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i just wouldnt be c/ring here against i was on air or content to get to all in against someone like cts, you can win at showdown as is.

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this is such a gay cr. i hate it and i hate the size of it.

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better off to cr with overcards thazn with 77

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Either way, wtf do you do if he doesnt fold?

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Spike a 7-ball vs his overpair.

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i dont think its that bad, if you're called im firing on any turn though...

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What exactly is your goal with this checkraise? As in, what are you trying to make fold/call/raise?

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I want him to fold his A9o/KJ/88 etc as I think those hands comprise the vast majority of his range. Basically, I'm fairly sure I still have the best hand on this flop, and even if I don't, I'm rarely bured by an overpair here.

The reason I decided to check-raise rather than lead is that leading is too transparent and he'll raise me, again, with a pretty wide range - some worse, some coinflips, and some better-but-not-by-much hands. A c/r looks a lot stronger and he should be less inclinded to [censored] with me with marginal hands.

And yes, spiking a 7 if called was definitely plan B. Sorry bud [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Kirk

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this hand is so limidonk

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I dont think its awful. I dont see why this cant be a big hand like a set for hero. You guys dont CR like this if there is a fish in the hand? Why not, he might still call with AK, and its a pretty drawy flop to slowplay.

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

against some villans, you must play this hand this way... especially those that like to float and generally fux with probe bets (which a flop lead would be)...many villans will raise with air if you lead here...c/r slows them down quite a bit...

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

The biggest mistake you make is trying to outplay a very successful online player. Focus on the donks. Don't let your ego get in the way of winning $$$$.

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The biggest mistake you make is trying to outplay a very successful online player. Focus on the donks. Don't let your ego get in the way of winning $$$$.

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This is a ridiculous statement. If he's at your table, you have to try and outplay him from time to time, otherwise you're going to get killed. I don't care if it's bld, you have to play back here and there, mix things up, etc.

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The biggest mistake you make is trying to outplay a very successful online player. Focus on the donks. Don't let your ego get in the way of winning $$$$.

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lmao When I see a post like this, ie one that's obviously from someone who's beyond totally clueless, I don't even know what to do... get irritated? Ignore it? Put the schmuck on Ignore so I don't have to deal with his idiocy in the future?

So, hey, thread hijack - aside from just ignoring them (probably the best way, but it just gets so [censored] OLD), what's the best way to respond to posts like the one above?? Stop posting is always an option, I suppose, but there's gotta be a more effective way.

Kirk

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Kirkrrr: basically my problem with your play is that it is obvious you never have a big hand when you do this with a fish in the middle, and the play is terrible with 77 because you have 2 outs if called. Just do it with overcards so you can at least have a decent chance of sucking out on whatever garbage I call you with, or check/call if you think your hand is best. Or spike a 7. Ugh. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

No hard feelings, gl. Donkey. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

stop disagreeing with cts, he is second to only chuck norris on the food chain

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The reason I decided to check-raise rather than lead is that leading is too transparent and he'll raise me, again,

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I really disagree with this, with the donk in the middle, cts has no reason at all to think you're weak, and your bet should get a lot of respect.

Problem, though, is that the donk won't fold.

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cts: Why is this always a weak hand? He can't have a set here? I guess most of his range is weak holdings then, or am i missing something?

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stop disagreeing with cts, he is second to only chuck norris on the food chain

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what about jack bauer? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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stop disagreeing with cts, he is second to only chuck norris on the food chain

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what about jack bauer? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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And MacGyver?

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cts: Why is this always a weak hand? He can't have a set here? I guess most of his range is weak holdings then, or am i missing something?

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Why would he check/raise a set, when there's a donk in the middle, who will call along with [censored]?

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

are you guys joking? chuck norris is &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; cts &gt; MacGyver &gt; Jack Bauer

Re: Got criticized by cts for this one
 

Misread action. Ugh.

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are you guys joking? chuck norris is &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; cts &gt; MacGyver &gt; Jack Bauer

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get the [censored] outta here