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PatInTheHat 11-15-2006 06:09 AM

2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
I am playing with villian on 4-5 tables. He runs around 27/23 and 3 bets, 4 bets, and squeezes a lot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($376.45)
UTG ($1385)
MP ($568.45)
Hero ($398)
SB ($82)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $16, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($38) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $24</font>, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($86) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $64</font>, Hero calls $64.

River: ($214) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $548</font>, Hero folds...

My plan was obviously to just call him down. I'm sure he capable of a bluff and from past experience he doesn't tend to give up until someone bets back at him. On the same note he might use this logic to trap me into calling a monster.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($251.35)
BB ($1680.70)
UTG ($609.05)
Hero ($390.70)
CO ($400)
Button ($459)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $100</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $390.7</font>

I had folded many times to his 3 bets and 4 bets and I think hes squeezing here a lot and might look my up light because of my line.

luckychewy 11-15-2006 06:11 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
3-bet him in hand 1 - also sometimes fold turn(thought not often vs. him) and always fold riv so that's played fine. hand 2 i prefer a fold pf or a 3-bet to the utg, but having gotten here it looks fine. btw i think he sucks.

PatInTheHat 11-15-2006 07:04 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
From my experiences with him I think so too Chewy however I have him over a lot of hands and hes running 6PT/100. It sickens me because he seems to have a huge luck box [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I typically re-raise AQ but I had some sort of reason for calling, I just can't remember.

emil3000 11-15-2006 07:28 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Reraising AQ (or AK) against an UTG raiser is by no means mandatory IMO.

luckychewy 11-15-2006 11:27 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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Reraising AQ (or AK) against an UTG raiser is by no means mandatory IMO.

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i agree completely, but i'd rather 3-bet than call with the entire table behind...though if your intention is to call/4-bet i don't mind it as much.

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It sickens me because he seems to have a huge luck box [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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guy comes from behind everytime without a problem. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

rockythecat99 11-15-2006 11:34 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Hand 1 Fold preflop? Cuz even when you hit top pair. He will likely bet you out like he did. (Disclaimer: I suck at cash I am trying to learn [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Hand 2 If he is a known squeezer I don't think he is ever calling you with garbage here.

shootaa 11-15-2006 12:11 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
does anyone know if alotofaction is 2p2? he seems pretty solid imo, maybe a little over aggro, but he's definitely tough. i think both hands are good, i doubt he 3 bets here w/ nething beating AQ like he does, just seems like he's blasting everyone out of the pot (i also know its not his typical 3 bet size too fwiw)

bunga 11-15-2006 12:19 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
IMO Alotofaction plays on the 0th level of thinking. He thinks only what he has and nothing more. He calls down light a lot and continues to pound hands that I act ridiculously strong in. I have him losing 28BB/100 in my tracker over 1k hands. Saying that I think there are better spots to stack than these to hands.

soah 11-15-2006 01:05 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
In the second hand his calling range is freaking huge, but yet includes almost no hands that you are a big favorite against.

MatthewRyan 11-15-2006 03:59 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
calling in the 2nd hand looks like a huge spew. Are you worried at all about the players behind you?
If you are not confident enough to 3bet this lag with AQ then fold and leave the table IMO.

kotkis 11-15-2006 04:05 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Wether or not he ever calls us with a worse hand in the second hand is not important.

FGators 11-15-2006 04:13 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
looks like a possible back door flush in hand 1, in which he had a pair of Kings on the flop. like AK diamonds possibly.

Hand 2 is meh, I don't hate it but he'll definitely call you with AK here.

roo400 11-15-2006 04:28 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Hand 1 : I would 3bet him pf everytime and as played, this is standard
Hand 2 : I really don't like the push as you can't really be representing AA KK here, which is what you try to represent (unless you know that BB will squeeze a good amount of time and that he knows that you know)

btw, Alotofaction is a good player, he's a bit too aggro but he still is a big winner in this game

soah 11-15-2006 07:21 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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calling in the 2nd hand looks like a huge spew. Are you worried at all about the players behind you?
If you are not confident enough to 3bet this lag with AQ then fold and leave the table IMO.

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Huh?

soah 11-15-2006 07:23 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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Wether or not he ever calls us with a worse hand in the second hand is not important.

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Risking $400 to pick up $150 when we are almost always behind when called, and called often, is not a very good spot.

kotkis 11-15-2006 07:47 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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Risking $400 to pick up $150 when we are almost always behind when called, and called often, is not a very good spot.

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This is what's important. I got the impression from OP that opponent is a habitual squeeze abuser, so how do you figure we're getting called here often?

thejerkface 11-15-2006 07:56 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
I have AlotofAction at 30/27 over 1k hands, so he's definitely very aggro. I'm curious what others have him at.

Hand 1 is close, but I'd fold. I expect him to second barrel King-high flops a fair amount, especially with hands that picked up draws, such as 45, or a diamond draw. The problem is that both got there. Also, the King is not a diamond, so Kx of diamonds is still in his range.

Hand 2 depends on UTG. If he's a nit, it's a clear fold. That's the only player Alotofaction should be concerned about calling his squeeze. If he views UTG as having a tight range, his range tightens up as well imo. I also think he's comfortable calling with suited connectors, 2-gappers, small pairs, etc., and doesn't always feel obligated to squeeze. So my first inclination is to fold hand 2.

tr3cool 11-15-2006 08:59 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
crazy gambler moving in over and over again with the worse of it, tilting a huge amount of money everyday I dontīt know how can someone lose to this guy.

soah 11-15-2006 09:19 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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Risking $400 to pick up $150 when we are almost always behind when called, and called often, is not a very good spot.

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This is what's important. I got the impression from OP that opponent is a habitual squeeze abuser, so how do you figure we're getting called here often?

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Because I think he is calling here with almost all better hands that he has squeezed with, including pocket pairs that aren't necessarily very good.

Let's assume he calls with 88+ and AQ+. I have no idea if this is accurate. We have 36% equity against this range, so each time we are called we lose around $100. Each time he folds we win ~$150.

So it is not as bad as I thought. If he squeezes reraises in this spot 10% of the time and calls half the time it is very slightly profitable.

JKratzer 11-15-2006 11:15 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
hand 1 3-bet pre. given you called, postflop looks standard. hand 2, i'd probably fold, but pushing isn't terrible. i don't think it's good, but given the money already in it's not bad.

PatInTheHat 11-17-2006 04:33 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Results: hand 2 he called me with A9 and struck 99 on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

luckychewy 11-17-2006 04:37 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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Results: hand 2 he called me with A9 and struck 99 on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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i'll go ahead and qmft(quote myself for truth)

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guy comes from behind everytime without a problem. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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soah 11-17-2006 05:42 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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In the second hand his calling range is freaking huge,

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Results: hand 2 he called me with A9

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At least I got that part of it right.

PartyGirlUK 01-22-2007 09:28 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
This guy [censored] blows.

0 history, he pulls this.

POKERSTARS GAME #8054726180: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/01/21 - 15:44:12 (ET)
Table 'Halawe' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: deanrover6 ($663 in chips)
Seat 3: Alotofaction ($2324.75 in chips)
Seat 4: crAAck ($624 in chips)
crAAck: posts small blind $3
deanrover6: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to deanrover6 [Kh Kc]
Alotofaction: raises $18 to $24
crAAck: folds
deanrover6: raises $48 to $72
Alotofaction: calls $48
*** FLOP *** [3d 4h 5d]
deanrover6: bets $138
Alotofaction: raises $138 to $276
deanrover6: raises $315 to $591 and is all-in
Alotofaction: calls $315
*** TURN *** [3d 4h 5d] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [3d 4h 5d Kd] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
deanrover6: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
Alotofaction: shows [8d 8c] (a flush, Ace high)
Alotofaction collected $1328 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1329 | Rake $1
Board [3d 4h 5d Kd Ad]
Seat 2: deanrover6 (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: Alotofaction (button) showed [8d 8c] and won ($1328) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: crAAck (small blind) folded before Flop

Bigmoney 01-22-2007 10:04 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
ya hes pretty horrible

r3vbr 01-23-2007 02:36 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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ya hes pretty horrible

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AlotOfAction is probably the biggest winner at the 2/4 and 3/6 games at stars, seeing him with 3k+ stacks is standard

AtlBrvs4Life 01-23-2007 02:59 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
I just gave him about $1000. So frustrating. Here's a fun hand against him. I had to quit because I started tilting pretty bad.

Seat 1: Alotofaction ($2416.95 in chips)
Seat 2: AlBrvs4Life ($396 in chips)
Seat 3: nanonoko ($472.10 in chips)
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 ($465 in chips)
Seat 5: Kung ($395.50 in chips)
Seat 6: snakekilla88 ($433.80 in chips)
AlBrvs4Life: posts small blind $2
nanonoko: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AlBrvs4Life [6s 7s]
DerekJC9954: folds
Kung: folds
snakekilla88: folds
Alotofaction: raises $12 to $16
AlBrvs4Life: raises $36 to $52
nanonoko: folds
Alotofaction: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [7h 6c 4c]
AlBrvs4Life: bets $77
Alotofaction: calls $77
*** TURN *** [7h 6c 4c] [Ad]
AlBrvs4Life: bets $267 and is all-in
Alotofaction: calls $267
*** RIVER *** [7h 6c 4c Ad] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AlBrvs4Life: shows [6s 7s] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Alotofaction: shows [As 4s] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Alotofaction collected $793 from pot

Edit: I have him at 31/26 over 760 hands.

PartyGirlUK 01-23-2007 03:03 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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ya hes pretty horrible

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AlotOfAction is probably the biggest winner at the 2/4 and 3/6 games at stars, seeing him with 3k+ stacks is standard

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Wow, those games must be beyond soft, unless the 88 hand v. me was monkeytilt/multiplemisclicks.

r3vbr 01-23-2007 03:08 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
look, just what i said.. in the hand AtlBrvs4Life posted he has over 3k stack after winning that hand, and look at the rest of the table. a fish cant ever win that much consistently

billyjex 01-23-2007 03:22 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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look, just what i said.. in the hand AtlBrvs4Life posted he has over 3k stack after winning that hand, and look at the rest of the table. a fish cant ever win that much consistently

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he's not exactly a fish, but he's not good, either. probably a small winner. he can be a pretty dumb lag sometimes -- i can see how some nits/inexperienced players have trobule dealing with him but i welcome him at the tables.

AtlBrvs4Life 01-23-2007 03:25 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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look, just what i said.. in the hand AtlBrvs4Life posted he has over 3k stack after winning that hand, and look at the rest of the table. a fish cant ever win that much consistently

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he's not exactly a fish, but he's not good, either. probably a small winner. he can be a pretty dumb lag sometimes -- i can see how some nits/inexperienced players have trobule dealing with him but i welcome him at the tables.

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I have trouble with him and I'm no nit. I'm pretty damn inexperienced at six-max though.

catcher193 01-23-2007 03:26 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
lol AlotofAction

schwza 01-23-2007 03:35 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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look, just what i said.. in the hand AtlBrvs4Life posted he has over 3k stack after winning that hand, and look at the rest of the table. a fish cant ever win that much consistently

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if you throw chips around a lot you're going to wind up winning a few in a row and you get a huge stack. you don't see any visual evidence of somebody rebuying a lot. i heard it called the h@llingol syndrome once.

one of you [censored] who datamines, do a public service and fetch us up a winrate for this guy. i'm curious.

snakekilla88 01-23-2007 07:21 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
i was talking to ilikeaces86 on aim, i knew he was bad but not this bad.
2/4
100bb effective stacks
ilikaces raises 3.5x with AK UTG, alotofaction on sb raises 9x with KK, ilikaces calls.
Flop- A45
alotofaction pushes the rest of his stack $300 into a 100 pot. lol.

TheWorstPlayer 01-23-2007 10:39 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
yes, he's bad - yes, he can be tough to play against - yes, i believe he's a big winner - he probably clobbers the fish.

wpr101 01-23-2007 10:59 AM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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ya hes pretty horrible

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I have maybe 500 or so hands with him. I always thought he was pretty good, but I since everybody seems to be saying otherwise I might have missed some things. Playing 30/27 seems crazy aggressive to me since I play like 20/15.

NLSoldier 01-23-2007 03:37 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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yes, he's bad - yes, he can be tough to play against - yes, i believe he's a big winner - he probably clobbers the fish.

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NLSoldier 01-23-2007 03:39 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
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i was talking to ilikeaces86 on aim, i knew he was bad but not this bad.
2/4
100bb effective stacks
ilikaces raises 3.5x with AK UTG, alotofaction on sb raises 9x with KK, ilikaces calls.
Flop- A45
alotofaction pushes the rest of his stack $300 into a 100 pot. lol.

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considering his image i dont think this is as bad as you are making it out to be. would you fold QQ-TT to him in that spot? his range there is probably most of the hands he would 3bet with which is a ton.

snakekilla88 01-23-2007 06:29 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
NLSoldier- i'd instafod QQ-TT in that spot.

Pushing KK is absolutely horrible no exceptions!

Eagles 01-23-2007 06:39 PM

Re: 2/4 Stars - 2 Hands vs ALotOfAction
 
Some general thoughts

Hand 1. I may call some of the time I need to look through my tracker though because I seem to remember he did that too me a few times with air but I could be wrong.

Hand 2: I like this hand I think you def get value from pushing because your hand looks like a complete bluff.

edit: Also alotofaction seems pretty good he's superaggro and plays pretty good he's def a winner but not a huge winner.


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