$10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

My opponent is a 2+2er.

HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.00 SB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (2.50 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (6.50 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (8.50 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls

Total pot: (12.50 BB)

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

I like it all. Of course I've come to the conclusion I suck at stud8 so it must be horribly played.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

I guess we are leaving 3rd along for this thread right? lol, it wouldnt be terrible if the 9 was a 2 or something.

The only really other debatable street is 4th. Yeah, he caught an 8 but an 8 is basically a brick, esp when it is not the same suit as his duece. If I had QQ+ I might put in more action on 4th as you are probably slightly ahead...with JJ though you are probably even money/slight dog.

5, 6, 7 are good

Actually, from the villian point of view 5th is also interesting because he must have thought wtf...JJ is a thin raise there. If I was villian I would put you on a monster

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

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If I was villian I would put you on a monster

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I was kinda hoping that. I also figured that there was no way in hell that the King hit him.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

Looks well played to me Andy

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

extremely standard imo. i dont think you should raise 4th because then it turns your hand face up. its better to let him think youre on a 3 card low and bricked then to gain marginal value in a checkraise. by playing it that way you end up getting in a 5th street checkraise the way you did when both of you brick. the one downside of this however is that if you catch a baby and he bricks youll have to lead out because he probably wont bet a low draw to an 8 if you check to him. still though, playing it this way lets you value bet on 7th with a pair of jacks and youll get called by a busted low pair of 8s or whatever, whereas if you raised 4th he wont call with that as its obvious you have an overpair.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

The raise was pretty unexpected. I was just disappointed that I didn't hit my straight on the river.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

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I guess we are leaving 3rd along for this thread right? lol, it wouldnt be terrible if the 9 was a 2 or something.

[/ QUOTE ] I don't think he's raising for value on 3rd, it's a positional raise to hopefully take the antes. I think Andy mucks if anyone had even limped - right Andy? 5th st. raise is good because you might get a small pair with a king kicker to muck , which would be a mistake if he knew your hand .. if he is on a low draw it's as weak as it gets so make our compadre pay.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

Andy, can you explain your thinking on 4th street? On first read, I thought it was slow playing, to disguise your (probably ahead right now) hand.

But then this is high/low, so checking and giving him a free card to make his low, even a rough 8, would make this hand a lot less EV for you.

Would you c/f 5th if he caught low and you bricked?

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

no danger of a free card .. the street gets bet anyway as a brick checking to a baby almost always bets .. it disguises his hand to set up the play on 5th which also was a mandatory bet by the villian- the other nice thing was the pot was kept small to make 5th a standard fold if the villian caught an ace.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

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Would you c/f 5th if he caught low and you bricked?

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IMO, it's an easy call on 5th if villain catches a 3-7 because Andy's still ahead for high. And because villain will have xx28(3-7), we know he won't have a straight yet. If villain catches an Ace on 5th I'm not so sure.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

believeit or not, i think sixth is the most intersting street.

if seat 2 had A23 or A24, woudln't he three bet another low and get it HU? so that means he's calling the complete with the most likley hand of 3 babies. the way fifth went where villain just called instead of 3 betting on ugly cards would lean me towards him having a 4 low and was just attacking your ugly looking board. why wouldn't villain put in an extra bet on a big bet street if he knew your opponent couldn't fold to another bet? also, a paired board or low card could kill action....so if another scare card like an ace or deuce or board pairing card hit on sixth, Andy would be done.

hero would check call all the way if the board blank for villain and because villian just called fifth and then put action in on sixth when he hit low AFTER there was a raise on fifth, the 2 seat is going to have low a majority of the time. the fold equity just isn't there. . .

so, i'd be very suprised if seat 2 didnt' chop UNLESS andy was running over the game and seat 2 decided to be the sheriff/enforcer.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

actually, it'd be sick if seat 2 had a set and was trapping Andy on sixth.

so the 2 hands are: seat 2 free rolling a low OR slow playing a set of kings, didn't improve seventh and got scooped.

either hand would make sense to me.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

Third was a steal, pure and simple. dsaxton is pretty tight, and I only have to get it through him and the bring-in. This might be a little loose, given that my hand is kinda crappy and the ante is small, but I enjoy gambling. Besides, I can always catch.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

On third, I would probably fold after a single limper, but would probably call after three.

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On fourth, I'm probably not much of a favorite, and I think there's almost no chance that dsaxton is folding. I figure that one bet is going in either way, and I don't want two bets going in if dsaxton really has a hand.

I'd probably fold fifth if dsaxton caught an Ace and I didn't get any help. Anything else and I probably press on.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Fun with J93
 

I likely.