Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

Villain is a TAG. 25/18/3.1 over 891 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero...

I folded the turn, but now I'm wondering about my play. Haha, no, but seriously, calldown or 3bet?

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

I call it down. I don't think you need to 3bet the turn. If your good he's still going to bet the river and you can collect another bet there.

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3bet, and the idea of calling here and raising the river will come up later in the thread.

basically his range is Qx a vast majority of the time. most tags know to fast play flops like this with A3s or 66 because you will make more bets typically and you'll always make the other guy showdown just about any utg raising hand.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

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3bet, and the idea of calling here and raising the river will come up later in the thread.

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holla

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3bet, and the idea of calling here and raising the river will come up later in the thread.

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holla

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Bah Miles, no fair. You took both lines.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

If you just call the turn, you'll almost definitely get a river bet from hands that would fold the turn, like Ax and some PPs. When you're behind, you'll also usually save less, since people are, in general, less likely to raise the river than the turn...

Ahhh, [censored] it. miles nailed it. Nothing to see here.

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basically his range is Qx a vast majority of the time.

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Why's he calling the flop with Qx?

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Ahhh, [censored] it. miles nailed it. Nothing to see here.

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Haha, yeah I was going to suggest call then river raise but miles pretty much said it all.

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basically his range is Qx a vast majority of the time.

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Why's he calling the flop with Qx?

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Overs.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

And image. If its technically a fold with my overs, but I'm running bad, or have recently folded a ton after betting the flop in small pots, I'm more apt to peel and make a "wrong" decision. You catch an out even sometimes in those cases, pop them on the turn, and show down, and it can drastically help your image.

All that goes double if I'm showdownable.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

i like to gamble when im stuck to chase my losses too but at least i know its bad

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basically his range is Qx a vast majority of the time.

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Why's he calling the flop with Qx?

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Because the flop is 633

edit to say you can't just defend your blind and then c/f every time you miss, and if you're going to peel a flop, this one is as any when it comes to having almost no chance of hitting you. Plus his IO are pretty good if he sees you has the SD monkey type.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

I am not sure that I agree with a 3-bet. We're basically attacking semi-bluffs and pair + flush draws. Weaker queens should get the point (they have very few outs and need to go away), as should any other hand besides trips, boats, or flush draws. By 3-betting, we seem to be counting on some pretty bad play from villain.

So what's the plan if we get capped? A fold seems almost mandatory. What is the plan if we take the call turn/raise river line? I assume we have to abort if a flush card hits, and simply call. Once again, I think we have to seriously consider a fold on the river if villain 3-bets when the flush card doesn't fall.

So... to those of you who want to put extra bets in, how do you plan to follow up?

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

who knows man?

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People who are 25/18 are often pretty tight on the BB.

I doubt they're calling anything with a 3 in it, with the exception of A3s. This is 2 combinations. 66 has 6 combinations.

QT,QJ,Q9,KQ has 32 combinations.

Now realize that this is a scare card that can be bluffed on with a FD. There is 2 flush draws on board.

Therefore, 3-bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

Sometimes 3-bet, sometimes call and raise/fold river. I'd lean towards 3-betting here because the board is pretty draw heavy and I think this line is a drawing hand or a worse Q very often here.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

OP,

What's your image? I 3-bet but I'm a loco essay.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

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Villain is a TAG. 25/18/3.1 over 891 hands.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero...

I folded the turn, but now I'm wondering about my play. Haha, no, but seriously, calldown or 3bet?

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noway I am folding this turn. I am thinking about 3-betting because he's probably pushing spades or a worse Q(neither of which he's folding).

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

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What's your image?

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The 891 hands all came at 2/4. I moved up a couple weeks ago, and this is the first time I've seen this guy at 3/6, so maybe he was taking a shot. I don't think I had much of an image at that table. Maybe that I was getting to showdown and winning. I'm sure he's noticed that I steal more than other TAGs (my attsteal was ~40 at 2/4), but that doesn't matter much on this hand.

Re: Checkraised on turn by TAG
 

Call down.

If he's semi-bluffing you'll make an extra bet when he foolishly bluffs the river. If he has you beat you lose more when he caps. I can't imagine what he has here that has you beat though, 66 maybe? Flush draw most likely.

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If he's semi-bluffing

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NOOOOOOO - more fuel on the fire in the great "Turn c/r vs. Tag when I have TPTK or oerpair" debate.

Good point.

I think the final answer to this all is "What does my opponent think I am capable of?" And that's that.