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1. Alabama
2. Mississippi
3. Arkansas
4. Tennessee
5. South Dakota
6. Kentucky
7. Kansas
8. South Carolina
9. North Dakota
10. Nebraska
11. Virginia
12. Missouri
13. Wyoming
14. West Virginia
15. Iowa
16. Wisconsin
17. North Carolina
18. Georgia
19. Louisiana
20. Indiana
21. Maryland
22. Idaho
23. Oklahoma
24. Rhode Island
25. Minnesota
26. Arizona
27. Delaware
28. Montana
29. Ohio
30. Michigan
31. New Jersey
32. Oregon
33. New Hampshire
34. Vermont
35. New Mexico
36. Utah
37. Maine
38. Pennsylvania
39. Illinois
40. Florida
41. Nevada
42. Alaska
43. Washington
44. Texas
45. Connecticut
46. Colorado
47. Hawaii
48. New York
49. Massachusetts
50. California

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How does Massachusetts beat out Hawaii?

Aslo, North Dakota is better than South Dakota? That's crazy talk!

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Minnesota is too high, I'd put it in the 40's somewhere. It's most definitely better than Texas.

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How does Massachusetts beat out Hawaii?

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Hawaii loses moderate points for hurricane threats and just general out-in-the-middle-of-nowhereness... still better than most states

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You're gonna have to give some criteria. Nevada sucks as a state, except for Las Vegas. And I must not know anything about New Mexico, because I have no clue how it could be better than Oregon.

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New Jersey needs to be top ten. [censored] terrible place.

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40. Florida

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thanks for playing

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How is Utah better than Ohio?

Overrated: Utah, Colorado, Alaska, New Mexico.

Underrated: Ohio, Oregon, Virgina, Arizona.

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Looks good.

I think Texas gets too much credit though.

Also, West Va. is way worse than Virginia. (Haven't you ever seen Wrong Turn?!?)

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Utah? Why?

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lol at the midwest

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Why's arizona so low?

Also.. South Carolina > North Carolina

way way way too many rednecks in north carolina.

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Im going out now so Ill post more thoughts later...

but, the kid I talked this over with last night was also like "Utah...wtf?"


Its probably too high objectively, but I think Im biased towards nice outdoors type geograhpy (also, see: Colorodo)... Utah is also especically diverse in what you can see outside... also, sundance


If you stripped out the Mormon's it would be a contender for a top 6-7 IMO

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I'm just happy that the south is worse then Iowa on your list.

How the Hell is California the best state?

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CMI, you suck. Arizona right in the middle of the pack? GOOD ONE. Desert - meaning mild winters, not to mention millions of acres of pine forest, the Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest, Monument Valley, and Sedona. Phoenix is an hour by plane from San Diego, LA, and Vegas and five hours by car from any of those, plus four hours by car to the beach in Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco). Not to mention the whole state is choose your own adventure on weather. If it's too hot or cold where you are drive a couple of hours max and you will have what you want.

I don't even know who beat it out I just scanned for AZ and realized your assessment was worthless at that point.

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I don't see how Alaska could be 9th best.

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tuq,

I was always under the impression that you were from NY but this thread and the one about seeing 2+2ers irl saying that you were at the pheonix get together have made me think that perhaps you live in AZ?

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I'm just happy that the south is worse then Iowa on your list.

How the Hell is California the best state?

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Santa Barbara
Wine country
Poker
California women
Stanford, Berkely and UCLA
Ocean
California women
Poker

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I guess the only thing I actualy know anything about on that list is UCLA, I stayed there for a little while, but I was never really impressed.

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Indiana needs to be in the top (bottom?) five. Dreadful state.

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Im going out now so Ill post more thoughts later...

but, the kid I talked this over with last night was also like "Utah...wtf?"


Its probably too high objectively, but I think Im biased towards nice outdoors type geograhpy (also, see: Colorodo)... Utah is also especically diverse in what you can see outside... also, sundance


If you stripped out the Mormon's it would be a contender for a top 6-7 IMO

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That's good, except that it goes against
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32. Oregon

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How does Massachusetts beat out Hawaii?

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Hawaii loses moderate points for hurricane threats and just general out-in-the-middle-of-nowhereness... still better than most states

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Don't forget backwash exploding toilets.

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Ishmael, how many states have you visited?

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Hmmm...gotta bump up Miss a lot just because of poker.

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Indiana needs to be in the top (bottom?) five. Dreadful state.

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yeah, this is the other one that surprised me. I've lived there before and unless you live in the center/Indy I can't see anything positive about it. There's a few small towns here and there that aren't really [censored] up I guess if that's your thing, but the south and north are really depressing. It does have some good sports stuff going for it though.

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tuq,

I was always under the impression that you were from NY but this thread and the one about seeing 2+2ers irl saying that you were at the pheonix get together have made me think that perhaps you live in AZ?

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You thought I was from NY because I'm a straight baller, right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

No, been here since I was two, FYI (you're the only one that could care about this) my interest in your living in Iowa is that the vast majority of my family lives between Iowa City and the Quad Cities, on both sides of my family. I go back yearly but really am a "native" to AZ, as I don't remember living there. Great people though - Jesus the Midwest is just loaded with quality people.

There has to be some reason that Phoenix and Vegas keep trading off 1-2 for fastest growing areas, and it's not because they suck.

Also, another poster reminded me of one of the better reasons to be here - hot broads. This city is loaded with well tanned hot broads, and that's not counting the 20,000+ co-eds at ASU, which is right down the street.

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virginia too high.
maryland too low.

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How does Massachusetts beat out Hawaii?

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Hawaii loses moderate points for hurricane threats and just general out-in-the-middle-of-nowhereness... still better than most states

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Are you kidding? Hurricanes hit Hawaii every 20-30 years. I've lived in Hawaii in NY, NY should be like #1 or 2 worst states, no way in hell it ranks better than Hawaii.

NY sucks for so many reasons its not funny: Taxes are horrible, weather sucks, road system sucks, jobs suck unless you live in NYC.

You need to revise this list bad.

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Massachusetts blows, the taxes suck, the traffic sucks, the people suck (way too grumpy and stressed out) and housing prices are ridiculous.

I can get a nicer home in North Carolina for half the price of one here in Mass. I can't wait to get the hell outta here.

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I don't see how Alaska could be 9th best.

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Yea it should be 1st best.

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I don't see how Alaska could be 9th best.

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Yea it should be 1st best.

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OMG GREAT ARGUMENT!!! I AM CONVINCED.

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I don't see how Alaska could be 9th best.

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Because it's in Canada.

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Im going out now so Ill post more thoughts later...

but, the kid I talked this over with last night was also like "Utah...wtf?"


Its probably too high objectively, but I think Im biased towards nice outdoors type geograhpy (also, see: Colorodo)... Utah is also especically diverse in what you can see outside... also, sundance


If you stripped out the Mormon's it would be a contender for a top 6-7 IMO

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That's good, except that it goes against
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32. Oregon

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Oregon has large economic problems.

It also has UO and OSU. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Also your capital is one of the dumpiest in the nation.

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Obviously most of this is subjective, however.......

Putting Oklahoma anywhere other than the top 3 is incorrect. I'm going to have to assume you like trailers, rodeos and stupid people.

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How does a Canadian who's only lived in one state feel that he is qualified to make this list?

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How does a Canadian who's only lived in one state feel that he is qualified to make this list?

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Heh, I totally forgot about that. Ebenhoewned.

EDIT: tuq's "The 2 Worst Provinces in Canada"

1. Toronto
2. Everything else

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Wow....I see absolutely nothing wrong with that list. The man speaks the truth.

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I feel like the point of this thread was twofold. 1) To point out that the South sucks. 2) To get people all riled up that their states are not rated highly enough.

tuq, you might want to do a re-edit.

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3) To tell Californians and everybody else what they already knew....California is #1.

By the way, I went to the beach today, did some kayaking, worked on my tan, then came home and had a poolside BBQ with some friends...what did you all do with your day in your awesome states?

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Wow, no way Mass is that high. I'd bump up OR, knock down CT. Also, NO is a great city but LA needs to be down there with it's neighbors.