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flopped trips - meet agression
Mp2 is 64/0/1.0AF
PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls. The donk bet was a bit weird. No reads what he might donk bet with. Do you raise ? Then he 3 bets. Im thinking of FH or that he has trips as well. I just call (?) River: (13.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds. River is a standard ? Final Pot: 15.50 BB |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
Raise preflop here. You have a multi pot developing and you have a great multi pot hand. This hand plays differently if you raised preflop.
TWIWP: Flop good Turn is a cap and its not close....no draws have come in AND you picked up a FD as well. If he has a pair of 2s your screwed and exactly QJ or KQ. This is a smaller Q or he paired a J on the turn more times than not. River i would call if bet to or bet if checked too. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
I like how hero played this hand on every street. Slowing down on the turn is good after the 3bet. Do not fold river for one bet.
For preflop I prefer a call to a raise. QTs is a hand I like to get into a cheap multiway flop in late position, which is exactly what you got. That way I avoid overplaying a marginal hand and can let the hand go cheaply and easily on the flop if the flop is not really favorable. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
I cap the turn. Do you fear JJ? If he has 22 so be it, most of the time it's a Q (most likely a weaker one) or a J.
BTW: "Mp2 is 64/0/1.0AF" -> you should mention the sample size imo. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
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For preflop I prefer a call to a raise. QTs is a hand I like to get into a cheap multiway flop in late position, which is exactly what you got. [/ QUOTE ] This is the reason for why you raise preflop to extend the value of your hand. QT has excellent top pair strength with limpers in front of you. As long as you don't over cook the action if you hit TP and get alot of resistance there is crazy value on a raise here. You also have to think of the dynamic of getting a freecard when checked to. Suited broadway is strong, much stronger than unsuited. Make the limpers pay. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
Good grief... I count ~19 outs on the turn! add in the times you're ahead (which is often) and you've got yourself some equity.
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Re: flopped trips - meet agression
looks fine to me
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Re: flopped trips - meet agression
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Good grief... I count ~19 outs on the turn! add in the times you're ahead (which is often) and you've got yourself some equity. [/ QUOTE ] how do we have 19 outs vs QJ? |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
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[ QUOTE ] For preflop I prefer a call to a raise. QTs is a hand I like to get into a cheap multiway flop in late position, which is exactly what you got. [/ QUOTE ] This is the reason for why you raise preflop to extend the value of your hand. QT has excellent top pair strength with limpers in front of you. As long as you don't over cook the action if you hit TP and get alot of resistance there is crazy value on a raise here. You also have to think of the dynamic of getting a freecard when checked to. Suited broadway is strong, much stronger than unsuited. Make the limpers pay. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree with a pf raise here if your hand was a bit stronger, such as QJs. QTs doesnt seem to be quite strong enough to me. Your potential top pair could quite reasonably be dominated by one of the limpers. Also you dont know before the flop, whether a subsequent "free card" on the flop will be useful to you or not. QTs does have good flush and straight draw potential in a multiway pot, but is otherwise a somewhat medium strength starting hand imo. So, I think I prefer OP's decision to call pf after the limpers, as opposed to raise. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
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Good grief... I count ~19 outs on the turn! add in the times you're ahead (which is often) and you've got yourself some equity. [/ QUOTE ] if we're behind, a lot of these outs are chopping outs or we are drawing dead. I think it's just a calldown situation. |
Re: flopped trips - meet agression
Based on MP2's vpip I think Jx is more likely holding than Qx. Even if he has Q your kicker might still be good. I would cap the turn. If he still bets on river then I'd just call. Man with those stats doesn't seem like a solid player. He could easily 3-bet his two pair on turn.
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Re: flopped trips - meet agression
I raise pf here. Multiway hand vs loose limpers, buy the button, etc. Calling isn't bad though.
MP2 seems LAGtastic post flop. I cap the turn. Unless he's on specifically QJ we have plenty of equity, and it's too soon to put an aggro Villain on the one hand that beats us. He might even just have a J or a draw or air and not expect us to have a Q after our flop bet. I don't mind slowing down vs a passive type who takes a bet/3=bet since it'll often be QJ, but this guy seems likely to have a wider range. If he donks the river I just call. If he checks to me I bet/call. |
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