Hitting TP on the turn vs a maniac
 

Another hand from a session review.
MP2 villain is a near-maniac, with something like 64/30 preflop and an amazingly low folding percentage postflop. He's folding out a lot of opponents post-flop with his aggression. We've seen howdown of several total junk hands already, but still he doesn't seem a total idiot, just likes the gamble and the fight for who has the biggest balls.

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: fabadam is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">fabadam 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">fabadam bets</font>, MP3 calls.

An autonatic c-bet for me, even if I know the dude won't fold, or maybe especially so.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, fabadam ???

I'm interested to hear what to do here. Assume villain is a LAG, but not a totally random one. If that's too vague, just tell me what you do here.

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gas it

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Raise

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raise. you having the trump ace makes it even more clear.

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raises and wins the $$$

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Autoraise.

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By the description of villan it sounds like a bluff at the third club is very likely.

So I raise here, for value. The A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] makes for a very useful backup in case he does have a real hand.

I think I'm just calling a 3-bet and c/c river on non club.

But then, what does he check/call the flop with however? This seems a little strange for someone as aggressive as you describe. Is it possible he had a genuine draw here? (either clubs or 9T) If so I'm probably taking the same line I said before, but I'm not as sure why.

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*grunch*

Raise, if he 3-bets I call and play the river accordingly.

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raise. you having the trump ace makes it even more clear.

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Yes, you have a solid raise here, lotsa pot equity.

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My favorite opponent... make like Hans and Frans and pump, it up.

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LOL, my name is Frans. (Honest)

FWIW, I called here, fearing a flush or slowplayed set.
River was a brick, checked to me and I bet now, villain called, showing down Q7o.

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I would raise against a LAG. Lot's of equity

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raise against a lag. Lots of nice equity

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Honestly, I just don't think I can pull the trigger and raise the turn. I would probably call down. I guess I'm a bit skitish, because 1 pair kills me more often then not. If the maniac 3-bets you...then what?

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Honestly, I just don't think I can pull the trigger and raise the turn. I would probably call down. I guess I'm a bit skitish, because 1 pair kills me more often then not. If the maniac 3-bets you...then what?

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He's a maniac, so call down.

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If he's a real maniac (like reraising with just a J, 8 or fd) I like to raise the turn since he won't slowdown anyway.
If he slows down, I call the turn and raise the river. You only really fear the king hitting everything should be fine (except maybe some straight-cards).

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I call the turn and raise the river. You only really fear the king hitting everything should be fine (except maybe some straight-cards).

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You can't be certain he'll bet again for you on the river, and he's pretty likely to call you down (in my experience, maniacs tend to be showdown-monkeys). I don't see any reason to give him a chance to get a cheap look at the river.

Go ahead and pop him on the turn.