I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

Villain had been repopping liberally, and was very aggro postflop.

I have no NL cash experience, but his line was just weird as [censored].

And wtf do I do on the turn other than make this goofy bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($821.80)
Hero ($615.50)
SB ($110)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $28.

Flop: ($82) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $56</font>, Hero calls $56.

Turn: ($194) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $180</font>, Hero calls $100.

River: ($554) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $545.8 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $339.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: $1439.30

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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And wtf do I do on the turn other than make this goofy bet?

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If he's been overaggro and repopping you frequently, you shouldn't be making such a weak ass turn bet here. According to your read, he's very likely to repop you with a wide range of hands.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

i dont like it. fold pf, take your stands with stronger hands...give up when he c/r you on the turn, this almost never a worse hand imo.
btw...this thread is funny

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

Right, and I have no problem calling any raise from him. The reason I made it small was to further induce that raise, and to keep the pot manageable. If I'm betting 120 here and he repops to like 320, well... wtf?

I think checking behind sucks because I'm calling a bet from him on like 90% of the rivers, and I have no clue if he's only value-betting rivers or if he's throwing out bluffs as well.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

i think you should either:
a. bet/fold the turn (bet more probably)
or
b. check turn and call most decent river bets.
i'd go for checking the turn and calling a river bet...but that's just my preference. this board is pretty drawless so i'm not too worried about giving free cards

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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Right, and I have no problem calling any raise from him.

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Well then what's the problem? To be honest, if he's as aggressive as you say, you should still wait for a better hand to take a stand on, IMO. His bluffs can beat you and there will most certainly be better spots if he's a maniac.


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The reason I made it small was to further induce that raise, and to keep the pot manageable.

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Uh, what? Do you also stay awake for weeks at a time to get a good night's rest? Betting small to induce a raise to keep the pot at a manageable size makes absolutely no sense. You should be betting small and hoping for a call to keep the pot manageable. And it's doubtful that weak bet will only get called by him if your description is accurate.


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If I'm betting 120 here and he repops to like 320, well... wtf?

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Um, easy fold? This is the reason you don't play hands like T9 against someone hyperaggressive. If you're sure you have the best hand with something this weak I think you should check behind and let the maniac bluff the river so you can snap it off.


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I think checking behind sucks because I'm calling a bet from him on like 90% of the rivers, and I have no clue if he's only value-betting rivers or if he's throwing out bluffs as well.

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If you have no idea if he's only value betting the river or bluffing as well, why would you have any idea what his range is on the turn?

Check behind and call river is much better than induce a bluff and have no idea wtf is going on when he raises, which is very likely for him to do.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

so this is what it feels like when i make fun of people in mttf...

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

I wasn't really making fun of you, bro. Sorry if it came off that way. Did what I say make sense, though? Let maniacs bluff you with good hands. Don't bet against a maniac if you're unsure what to do when he raises. Basically go to war with a plan.

What makes you think he's capable of bluffing so huge anyway? How long have you guys been going back and forth? Any past history?

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

having no idea where you are against players like this with hands like 10 9 is not very profitable. Easy to make gigantic mistakes when you are lost in the hand. You should have folded preflop. If you really thought he was repopping a lot you can consider 4-betting him. 10 9o is not the hand you want to call his raise.

"I'm comfortable calling any bets/raises from him" this logic may apply when you're only talking about 1 big bet and you're getting like 8 to 1, but when it means you're going to get stacked for 150 blinds when you make a middle pair with 10 9, uhh, you shouldn't be playing NL.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

no, no, i have a loooong way to go. i'm pretty good at mtt's and i'm pretty good at limcash, but i have some serious leaks at 150xbb deep. keep it coming please.

no past history at all really. just maybe 1 hour at this point on two tables together. i think the only other hand that had gone to showdown was the 567 flop in my other thread (he was SB who led out). He wasn't quite the maniac I think I seem to have made him out to be, but I think he's repopping pretty light preflop here, even OOP.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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no past history at all really

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You should wait until you have a solid read before committing so much of your stack on such a weak hand.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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You should have folded preflop. If you really thought he was repopping a lot you can consider 4-betting him. 10 9o is not the hand you want to call his raise.

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Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

I'm Villain by the way and I was not being very aggressive. I was repopping and raising pre, but that's it.

Early on I suspected you of floating so I 2-barreled with T5o and you instafolded on blankiest of turns, so I'm assuming I was correct. Before the big hand I'd commented to my friend that you were going to be a thorn in my side. You repopped me a few times early on and appeared to be trying to give me problems.

As far as your hand, basically everything I said as Phresh and -Skeme- applies, IMO.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $545.8 (All-In)</font>, Hero IS TAKEN TO VALUE TOWN (All-In).


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Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

this is pretty hideous on multiple levels. even if he had AK or JT or whatever this time, this is still badbadbad.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

sn plz

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

No thanks, please don't mention it, 0evg0.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

I'm going to take a guess and say Villian in this hand = RaiNKhaN.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

that'd be a bad guess. why'd you make it?

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

0ev,

say it with me. bank-roll man-age-ment. 2/4? as an admittedly still-learning nl cash player? cmon dude.

in this hand, i would, in order, fold preflop (to the raise, i dont hate the open), fold turn, and fold river. i dont think 2PNK is the hand you really want to take to the felt against someone that's been pushing you around. it's also worth noting that a lot of time all that "he's pushing me around" stuff is just in your head anyway, and it's just short term variance with you getting crappy cards and him getting good cards.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

i call this preflop all day but that's just me. I don't mind betting the turn but I'd make it bigger, your bet looks really weak. I would give up if he raised my turn bet also. Checking behind on the turn lets him play near perfectly on the river if he's a good player, do I don't really like that.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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Checking behind on the turn lets him play near perfectly on the river if he's a good player, do I don't really like that.

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i def disagree with this. he's still OOP, and could fire with many hands we are ahead of. i think checking through turn and calling a river bet looks pretty good.

the only real question is if we check through turn and get checked to on river. seems like we are kinda obligated to bet, but there isnt a whole hell of a lot that pays us off.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

Why would he ever bet against me on the river with T9? I'm a maniac apparently and I was bluffing earlier here and he successfully called me down. The pot would be $554, that's enough for him to chill out. I'm never calling with a worse hand or check-raise bluffing on this river here.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

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Why would he ever bet against me on the river with T9? I'm a maniac apparently and I was bluffing earlier here and he successfully called me down. The pot would be $554, that's enough for him to chill out. I'm never calling with a worse hand or check-raise bluffing on this river here.

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im saying if he had checked through the turn like he should have

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

Oh, yeah. I still think he should check, but then again I am me and I know what I'll call and won't call.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

Wow, the turn and river make me want to die. PF is fine, flop is standard. No idea why you bet the turn; the point of position is NOT to inflate pots with dinky bets when you have middle pair. It should be a turbocheck. And river is pretty awful, there's almost nothing we beat.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

0evg0...what the hell are you doing at NL 2/4 table?

We had to bump you from the MTT FFB League cuz you couldn't even come up with the $100 buy-in.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

0evg,

in a cash game against aggro players, call more than bet.

in this instance, it's clear to me you bet the turn to earn a check on teh river. against a player in the style you describe that will never ever work.

Re: I CAN BE YOUR HERO, BABY (2/4)
 

let me respond to a few points:

1. i knew Villain was a 2p2er and was hoping he'd respond. thank you.

2. yes, i got pretty much owned (villain also stacked me in my other thread where i decided to raise with 88 on 567 even tho he obv had a set).

3. i jumped into 2/4 because i've been winning some mobnies and like to learn from those better than me. in this case, much better.

4. CDS, just because I was busto one week doesn't mean I will be the next. read mtt, i've been ballin mid-limits the last couple weeks.

5. based on this and my QQ hand in MTT, i have a gift for thread titles.