p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

Villain here is about 23/18 over ~500 hands. I didn't have much reads on him but I had a strong feeling that he's able to do that reraise without AA/KK and might be squeezing here. My image was pretty tight, probably something like 19/14 on this table. What would you do?

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BB ($104.08)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($139.80)</font>
MP ($115.25)
CO ($34.24)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($100)</font>
SB ($46.88)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ??

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

I think a push it fine, I have seen these kind of villians make this play with AQ here before and I think there are more hands that he would do this with than not do this with that we are ahead of

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

Tough one. I hate having 2 people in the middle here which is why the ole squeeeeeze is so effective.

I push with your read, but I think its close.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

I dunno about a push here. While he might be reraising light, I don't think he would ever call a push with &lt;JJ, or really even AK. I would call and get it in on a reasonable flop.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

if I just call and flop comes with an ugly A/K I might end up folding the best hand...?

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

If you push, you are only getting called by KK/AA and maybe AKs given that villain and your image.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

Well, this is really why the squeeze is so powerful. Makes me want to use it more.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

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If you push, you are only getting called by KK/AA and maybe AKs given that villain and your image.

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you lose ~$43 the times you are called assuming his range is KK+, AKs

you win $28 the times its picked up preflop

AA, KK, AKs = 16combos

so breakeven is if he 3bets with 25combos that aren't the above

AKo=12
JJ=6
TT=6
AQ=16

maybe more, maybe a little less

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

And if he calls and plays poker after the flop?

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

This is a math problem. If you assume he reraises with like 6% of hands and only calls with AA/KK you can compute the EV of shoving here pretty easily.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

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And if he calls and plays poker after the flop?

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I was just showing that even if you are always behind, 50/50 when your push is called, its not necessarily a -EV push

that squeezing has drawbacks if the original raiser is willing to gamble

if you just call preflop, you often are in trickier spots postflop anyway

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

If called, hero would be behind. I doubt that AQ or JJ would call a third raise PF.

If so, pushing would really be the same as bluffing with ATC.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

If A/K hits and he doesn't get scared, he probably has you beat.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

Is there any consideration to what the two players left to act will do? If we call here, do we not allow them into the pot with pretty good odds? Is that something that we want in this case, or not? I'm pretty sure that if we are going to play this, we want to be heads up. I'm not sure that pushing into this villain is the best play here. What do you guys think of a raise to $40? This should be enough to push the two cold callers out, but is not so much that if the villain pushes, we can't fold. If villain calls, we bet a safe flop aggressively.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

If they call, they are still paying a lot to see a flop where their hands are probably ranked 3rd or 4th. I would be afraid they called the 20$ and hit a small set on the flop.

Let's say Hero calls the 20$ and one more player calls, 3 to the flop. Flop is like 3 7 9 - usually a good flop for QQ. Here however, you could be looking at a set for the caller and a higher pocket pair for the raiser.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

I think this is a pretty straightforward push. Put the fear of God into these foolios.

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 

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If called, hero would be behind. I doubt that AQ or JJ would call a third raise PF.

If so, pushing would really be the same as bluffing with ATC.

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except that QQ has more equity against AK and JJ