5/10 Top Set AA,, Deadly River Shove
 

6 max 5/10, I am playing semi-loose, and villan is playing loose on the donkish side. He has $1300 and I have him covered.

Villan Limps UTG. Folded to me in the BB i raise it up to $40 He calls.

Flop comes A, 4, 5, Rainbow.
I bet 80 he calls.
Turn is a 7
I bet 180 he calls
River is a 2
I check planning to call a river bet of about half pot to pot.
And villan open shoves for $984

is this as easy of a call as it seems?

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yes

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What do you put villan on? Yes it does not matter and u cant fold top set?

I mean if flopped or turned a set it is very likely there would of been another kind of raise in the action, If he flopped or turned 2pair you can almost certainly expect a reraise.

If he rivered a set or twopair, you can almost certainly expect a non all in bet

If he has a mid PP that he thought was all the way good, whats the point in shoving the river? Is he bluffing what he thought was the best hand, or was he drawing until the river with a semi-made hand or draw?

This boils down to the river being a value bet or a bluff, you deside.

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if i had a set i would definitely call twice at least some of the time.

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This is what i think villans POSSIBLE river shove range is:
A3, 43, 53, 36, 33, 66, and 67

I think It is less likely he has a hand like 36 and 67 because I think he might of reraised me with this hand on the flop, but I am not really familiar on how passive the villan is.

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You would really consider calling when it is pretty obvious a single ace is definatally in my range? I mean considering he is a donk, a set is a pretty standard reraise here for almost anyone.

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You would really consider calling when it is pretty obvious a single ace is definatally in my range? I mean considering he is a donk, a set is a pretty standard reraise here for almost anyone.

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if i think you are going to get away from AK if i raise then yeah call

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I think that the overshoving the river for almost x2 the pot has greater chance of me laying down AK then any turn or flop bet. And if that is his plan and read all along whats the point in playing a set that way?

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I think that the overshoving the river for almost x2 the pot has greater chance of me laying down AK then any turn or flop bet. And if that is his plan and read all along whats the point in playing a set that way?

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i didnt say i would shove the riv, i just said one reason why a person might call twice

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I would have bet the river myself, but I think I would fold to that 2x jam. If he was calling flop and turn in an effort to not scare you off with 44/55, I don't expect him to push 2x now. If he had 67, he has second pair, and I really don't expect someone like this to pull something like this with second pair. It really looks like he improved on the river and excitedly sticks all the money in (33, A3s, 34/35/maybe 36s or K3s?). 222 makes sense as well (3 makes more sense as more probable ways he can have it and a 2x pot jam like this is generally a lock hand, but 222 is lookin pretty lock to him if he has gotten this far with it and you check river to him ).

Also, Parlay Slow said he is more likely to fold than call, and would also bet river himself, in case anyone cares what that drooler thinks.

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EASIEST CALL EVER.

You fold this, you lose a ton of money in the long run.

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What does he have? Or is that not part of your thought process here?

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EASIEST CALL EVER.


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What does he have? Or is that not part of your thought process here?

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dude you know retardo mcretard is never coming back to this thread. he said his piece and he's out. you got a problem, stop over at his crib and talk to him.

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I would have bet the river myself, but I think I would fold to that 2x jam. If he was calling flop and turn in an effort to not scare you off with 44/55, I don't expect him to push 2x now. If he had 67, he has second pair, and I really don't expect someone like this to pull something like this with second pair. It really looks like he improved on the river and excitedly sticks all the money in (33, A3s, 34/35/maybe 36s or K3s?). 222 makes sense as well (3 makes more sense as more probable ways he can have it and a 2x pot jam like this is generally a lock hand, but 222 is lookin pretty lock to him if he has gotten this far with it and you check river to him ).

Also, Parlay Slow said he is more likely to fold than call, and would also bet river himself, in case anyone cares what that drooler thinks.

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yeah i agree with all of this

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Doesn't OP's hand look a lot like AQ/AK? Villain can be shoving a lot of two pair hands and all sets. Seems like you have to call here.

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i dunno, depends how sophisticated villain is and how tricky he thinks you are. against a standard opponent i'll value shove smaller sets and some 2prs here all day

of course i'd probably expect him to play it faster but people change up their play sometimes believe it or not

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Doesn't OP's hand look a lot like AQ/AK? Villain can be shoving a lot of two pair hands and all sets. Seems like you have to call here.

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why would villain shove two pair and set hands on this river if he thinks he is up against AQ/AK [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Doesn't OP's hand look a lot like AQ/AK? Villain can be shoving a lot of two pair hands and all sets. Seems like you have to call here.

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why would villain shove two pair and set hands on this river if he thinks he is up against AQ/AK [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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To get paid!

Anyway, I call; reading it over I think he'd have to have A3s or 36s for this to make any sense, and if you think a bluff is likely enough, weigh that and call. (And a bluff seems much more likely than either of those.)

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Are you guys joking? I fold this all day.

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Doesn't OP's hand look a lot like AQ/AK? Villain can be shoving a lot of two pair hands and all sets. Seems like you have to call here.

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Maybe the 5/10 BM games you play are alot different from the ones I play but people just don't play this way. They underbet everything. To me, his bet just screams, wow I just hit my hand, better try getting alot of money out of him.

If this guy has been making moves in this sort of spot, you would probably have noticed by now. 2 pair / set is going to valuebet not make a huge overbet that will usually get folded to.

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Doesn't OP's hand look a lot like AQ/AK? Villain can be shoving a lot of two pair hands and all sets. Seems like you have to call here.

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Maybe the 5/10 BM games you play are alot different from the ones I play but people just don't play this way. They underbet everything. To me, his bet just screams, wow I just hit my hand, better try getting alot of money out of him.

If this guy has been making moves in this sort of spot, you would probably have noticed by now. 2 pair / set is going to valuebet not make a huge overbet that will usually get folded to.

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...Is this B&M though? OP said 6 max.

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i push like this with a straight pretty much constantly