China: Poker\'s next frontier?
 

I have posted a thought-provoking article on why I believe China will be Poker's next frontier:

http://olivertsepoker.com/China.aspx

CardPlayer Magazine has already rejected the article, preferring to have its editor work on a similar article instead.

I'll let you compare my work to that of CardPlayer when its article comes out.

Oliver Tse
olivert888@olivertsepoker.com

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Good article,

I live in Australia and our live games are very popular with people from China and other Asian countries. Many people here believe that if holdem catches on in Asia then the games will continue to be good for a long while yet.

I think it all depends on how the games are packaged and how they promote them. But no limit cash games could become insanely popular.

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I bet if a Chinese citzen won the WSOP it would blow up over there

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This isn't much more than spam for your website.

This China obsession of yours is a bit weird.

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What I just did:
clicked on NVG, saw this thread's title, then saw the OP's name, and sighed. i then proceeded to post in this worthless [censored] thread anyways.

give it a rest, man. lol, seriously, ban olivert already.

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If it means that Oliver sticks his China rants there and doesn't here, wouldn't that be a good thing?

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Says the Harry Potter fanatic. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This isn't much more than spam for your website.

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His website without adds or anything.

Nothing wrong with this post.

I don't think Oliver has an obsessions nearly so much as he mentioned this a few times, likely while he was writing the article.

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So, if you ask olivert what to buy a couple as a wedding gift, he will reply "China"?

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This China obsession of yours is a bit weird.

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The comment above is a bit weird!!!

China has over 1.2 billion people, if any of these online gaming companies can attract a fraction of this population to play on a regular basis, they'll be tons of money to be made.

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The comment above is a bit weird!!!

China has over 1.2 billion people, if any of these online gaming companies can attract a fraction of this population to play on a regular basis, they'll be tons of money to be made.

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wow that is a lot of money. Interestingly, I heard harrah's entertainment currently has no mega resort casino developments in Macau.

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China has over 1.2 billion people, if any of these online gaming companies can attract a fraction of this population to play on a regular basis, they'll be tons of money to be made.

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wow that is a lot of money. Interestingly, I heard harrah's entertainment currently has no mega resort casino developments in Macau.

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I'm no economist or anything, but its my understanding that if each of those people decided to gamble just $1, it would provide the gambling economy with over $1.2 billion of revenue.

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1. His comment about X online qualifiers to the WSOP from China. 95% don't show up because they aren't allowed a passport.
2. China blocks/controls Google. Imagine what they will do if they think $100M's are going to flow to Gibraltar just in rake, not to mention to US, Europe as poker losses.
3. China has shown 0 respect for copyright law, etc. Are you that comfortable with 2 million "Chinese government approved" players on a site?

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I don't know many Chinese people with the first name of "Oliver."

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Oliver, you've done a lot of research, but you keep quoting this 1.2B population figure while ignoring the fact that the vast majority are dirt poor w/o the money or means to deposit money into a site.

something I seriously don't know - what is the % of people in China who own a computer? % who have internet access?

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what the Chinese government should be doing is creating a poker site to allow chinese citizens to play on, hence keeping the rake, another tax on its citizens.

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Oliver, you've done a lot of research, but you keep quoting this 1.2B population figure while ignoring the fact that the vast majority are dirt poor w/o the money or means to deposit money into a site.

something I seriously don't know - what is the % of people in China who own a computer? % who have internet access?

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Come on, don't muddy up the argument with facts. LOL

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what the Chinese government should be doing is creating a poker site to allow chinese citizens to play on, hence keeping the rake, another tax on its citizens.

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Just glancing at Dell's annual report they are claiming an increase of 37% in China shipments. If you look at their latest 10-K you can see that 12% of their revenue is from the Asian-Pacific-Japan demographic.

Also noted is the quote,
"The region’s strong revenue growth in fiscal 2006 was led by growth in China."

So it would seem that more consumers in China are purchasing computers.

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something I seriously don't know - what is the % of people in China who own a computer? % who have internet access?

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according to PBS at least 115 million people go on the internet.

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The comment above is a bit weird!!!

China has over 1.2 billion people, if any of these online gaming companies can attract a fraction of this population to play on a regular basis, they'll be tons of money to be made.

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All that may be true, but it is no excuse to post 1.2 billion posts in 2+2 about the Ho's poker venture in China.

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"Poker: China's Next Frontier" would be an equally good title!

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"Poker: China's Next Frontier" would be an equally good title!

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Instead of making Nike shoes and other items the Chinese Gov't could make work camps where the people have to learn to play poker. They could use stolen/photo copied 2+2 books and the people have to give the state the winnings.

Imagine a couple million Aba's on Party??

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I think this highschool paper needs work. First of all China probably has about 100 million people with the ability and wealth to log on and play. Also what is deemed a middle class type income in China would be a welfare type income here. Unless you play 5 cent 10 cent don't expect to see more than the occasional rich fish above this level. Also what about India(almost as large and just as wealthy at the top of the pyramid)?

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Next up: Africa, the Great Untapped Online Poker Continent!

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china is trying to keep up with (USA)!in every and any form in this modernn age.they've stayed behind in open relations(a real iron curtain)but i got to respect a nation that messes with no one and even built a wall to keep itself at ease from intruders!!p.s what is china's best wine

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what is china's best wine

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what is china's best wine

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beer

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Oliver, you've done a lot of research, but you keep quoting this 1.2B population figure while ignoring the fact that the vast majority are dirt poor w/o the money or means to deposit money into a site.

something I seriously don't know - what is the % of people in China who own a computer? % who have internet access?

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Come on, don't muddy up the argument with facts. LOL

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China currently has over 50 million internet usuers. By the year 2010 it's supposed to have more interent user's than any other country.

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Is WPT/WSOP popular or even shown over in China?

Edit - n/m started reading the article and it says WPT has just got broadcasting rights over there.

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When they broadcast the WPT in China and Signapore, will they overdub VVP and Mike S's voice with Chinese commentators' so that the audience will have an inkling what is going on?

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When they broadcast the WPT in China and Signapore, will they overdub VVP and Mike S's voice with Chinese commentators' so that the audience will have an inkling what is going on?

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That'd be awesome to hear how VVP's quirky quips get translated.

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It will be like a reverse Godzilla movie.

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Just out of curiosity, is there any land based poker in China yet. If Jack Binnion is in charge of the Wynn operation in Macau I would imagine that he would sneak a poker room in if he could afford it. Someone posted saying that they went to the opening day of the Wynn Macau and there wasn't any Hold'em. Does that mean no poker room at all or just no Hold'em?

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Do we really need to bump an Olivert China thread?

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I never thought I'd see the day when I would envy the freedoms of the people in China.

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You people live in a fantasy world. All poker sites are blocked there and their regime will never change that. There is no sign of China letting it's citizens play online poker...lol

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China always played poker.

It isn't something completely new thing for them...

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I was just in China and all I saw was people playing Mah Jongg. Why would they want to play poker online when they could play Mah Jongg online?