Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

PokerStars Game #6142644655: HORSE (Hold'em Limit, $10/$20) - 2006/09/02 - 13:28:29 (ET)
Table 'Khryses' 8-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ConeyBoy ($442 in chips)
Seat 2: lokemupsally ($7636.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Cantbebawt ($252 in chips)
Seat 4: lipscab ($122 in chips)
Seat 5: betgo ($502 in chips)
Seat 6: farlzz ($798 in chips)
Seat 7: freeroller70 ($760 in chips)
Seat 8: Taximike ($392 in chips)
betgo: posts small blind $5
farlzz: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to betgo [6h Ks]
freeroller70: calls $10
Taximike: raises $10 to $20
ConeyBoy: folds
lokemupsally: folds
Cantbebawt: raises $10 to $30
lipscab: folds
betgo: folds
farlzz: folds
freeroller70: folds
Taximike: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [4s Jd Qd]
Taximike: checks
Cantbebawt: bets $10
Taximike: calls $10
*** TURN *** [4s Jd Qd] [Jh]
freeroller70 said, "no"
Taximike: checks
Cantbebawt: bets $20
Taximike: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [4s Jd Qd Jh] [Kd]
Taximike: checks
Cantbebawt: bets $20
Taximike: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cantbebawt: shows [7s 6s] (a pair of Jacks)
Taximike: shows [8s 8h] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
freeroller70 said, "qj"
Taximike collected $182 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $185 | Rake $3
Board [4s Jd Qd Jh Kd]
Seat 1: ConeyBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lokemupsally folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Cantbebawt showed [7s 6s] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: lipscab (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: betgo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: farlzz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: freeroller70 folded before Flop
Seat 8: Taximike showed [8s 8h] and won ($182) with two pair, Jacks and Eights

Cantbebawt said, "unreal"
Cantbebawt said, "calling me down with 88"
Cantbebawt said, "I raise pre flop and you do not figure me for one paint?"
Cantbebawt said, "lol"
Taximike said, "sorry bad beat that 67 didn't get out on 88"
Cantbebawt said, "you understand me"

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

'Cuz they feel like they just got owned so they want to make it look like the caller is actually the bad player, not them.

It's a pretty nasty activity imo.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

They feel like their bluff is an advanced play rather than chip spewage but they aren't quite advanced enough to know who to bluff and who not to...amd they have just been owned by someone they feel is inferior.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

100% of my successful bluff-catches with ace-high (which are rare and usually successful, probably meaning I'm not making them often enough) are followed by villain asking "you called with ace high?"

IMO they're trying to offload the embarrassment they feel after you caught them red-handed.

Sample live 4/8 hand (repurposed from my Vegas trip report):

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...a guy who looks like a 65-year-old hippie two seats to my left decides he doesn't like me raising his CO, button or blind. He proceeds to do the coldcall/donk/raise dance...And it's not just my raises he doesn't like - he's an equal-opportunity button LAG.

So, a few blind battles later, I'm OTB with A9s and raise. SB folds, hippie guy calls. (Did I mention he hums out loud while he's in a hand?) Flop misses me completely with all undercards, and as expected, he donks. I call. Turn nada, he bets again. I turn to him and say, "I think I'm gonna look you up." Call. River, nothing again, board completely uncoordinated, he bets one more time and as promised, I call.

I flip my hand over. He looks at my cards. He looks at the board. He looks at his cards (in that oh-so-endearing lift-them-a-foot-off-the-table stylee). He looks at the board again. To my amazement, he actually shows his J9o (no pair, and no draw that wasn't busted by the turn).

He finally looks at me, as if I'm insane, and asks, "You called down with ace high?"

I smile. "I told you I was gonna look you up."

Maybe he didn't hear me say that, in effect, he could save himself eight bucks by not betting the river. Maybe he didn't understand. Maybe he didn't think I had the guts.

I add, "I've gotta keep you honest..."

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Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

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Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?

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Short answer- they made a bad play, but they're too hard headed to think they're bad so obviously it was because there opponent was too stupid. Also they're mad, but to dumb to realize that maybe they should be mad and themselves for making a bad play.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

Recently I had a flushdraw on the flop, raised it and got a bunch of callers, then bet the turn with a whole bunch of outs (gutshot + overs + flushdraw) and all but one call-station folded. I misread the river for a diamond instead of a heart thinking my nut flush came in, so I bet and get called by an underpair to the entire board. I then proceeded to make a big deal about it to try to cover up my own retardedness. Even so I still looked retarded, I guess.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

LOL Bluffing in limit

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

I love it when this happens, esp. live. I remember check/calling this clown with KQ on an ace high board. After the ineveitable "you called me with K high?" I said "are you kidding? I had the nut no pair. I thought about value betting."

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

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LOL Bluffing in limit

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lol..... another NL play that just doesn't get it. Do yourself a favor and stay at NL. if you don't get bluffing in limit....well......nevermind...

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

I reraised on the button after the flop with a nut flush draw and two overs to the board after one guy raised and another called, the whole table owned me after I made my flush. (this was limit too) I need to learn to play

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

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I had the nut no pair. I thought about value betting."

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I like that one, you probably just cost me a crapload of money this weekend trying to find a place where I can actually use it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

the real answer here is because it's fun.

However, side thought. If you berate someone, some weaker players in the back of their mind think that you will be trying to bluff them back to regain your manhood.

Example, I make a stone cold bluff against someone on a board of 754Q after calling the flop with position. I run into AA. Oh well. Let the berating begin.

Few orbits later, a second bluff after being check called the whole way, I push and show my 56 which didn't play.

Few hands later, same opponent as first hand. I call a raise w/ 10 4s in position. I call the whole way after flopping a four flush. I get there on the end. I raise all in for 230 more into an 80 pot. Insta-called by top two.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

I get a big kick out of this. It happens live all the time.

I called a maniac down with AT no pair in a 25c/50cNL home game.

He raised preflop for the 10th time
Flop was 886
He bet $2, I called
Turn 3
He bet $3, I called
River 2
He bet $6
I beat him in the pot.

He swears and shows J9o, I show him the ace high.

He berrates me a little. "You called $6 on the river with just ace high??? I thought you where good"

me "Would folding the best hand and letting you take my pot make me a better poker player?"

Seriously, 99% of the time the bluffers play in these pots is absolutely terrible, yet they feel they are in a position to give criticism to someone else. I always find this amusing.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

It gets me pissed off all the time.

I play one hand in 2 hours showing down KK. Then i raise AK from the cutoff. Flop comes QT2 two suits of mine. He checks i bet. Turn is a Q he has double the pot left i put that in he insta calls with 33.

That kinda crap pisses the [censored] outta me. Granted the bet wasnt all that great but we were pretty much even money. Bleh, how can you not berate the guy.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

I did this just last night (or would have had my chat not been revoked) when I tried to steal a pot on the river and was called by pocket 4s. The correct play is to think and say "good play", but it is convenient to think the player is a total donkey and attribute your loss to another donkey play that beat your "good" play.

Re: Why do people berate people for calling their bluffs?
 

Why do you care?

At the end of every session, I check my bankroll, its almost always higher than when I began. If I am troubled by a hand I'll have the hands emailed to me (or in a B&M take a short break and make some notes).

Some people figure they should win every hand they play or hit a "rush" that doesn't ened until they bankrupt every player at the table. These people want to brag about their bluffs and their good play while deriding others. Getting upset, defensive, argumenative, etc with them feeds into their inflated egos. Its not about the money to them, its about feeling superior.

I once played a session at the Trop in AC (4/8). One player really got into needling me, raising me to make me fold, being verbally abusive, hurrying me, laughing at some second best hands I had at showdown, etc. Desdpite it all, I was up about $175 and starting to rack up my chips and he started in again and I looked at him and said "I guess you're too much a player for me. What are you up 2 or 3 racks?" "No, I'm down $500" "Oh, my mistake, good luck anyway"

It probably took him 10 minutes to figure out that he'd just been insulted.