Fourway pot make 875 on turn OOP (2-7)
 

UTG is ultra spot. UTG1 is thinking player but he thinks very oddly most of the time, his signature move is raise in position when he catches up to you and is still drawing, he goes really nuts with it. BB is very solid.

UTG limps, UTG1 raises, two folds, Hero 3bets with 2347K, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG1 calls.

I take 1, BB takes 2, UTG takes 3, UTG1 takes 2.

I catch 2457J and lead out, 3 calls.

I draw 1, everyone else draws 2.

I make 24578 and bet, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG1 raises....


He could still be drawing although he may raise with up to a T here, definitely with a 9 or worse 8. I'm pretty sure of this although Dustin might know otherwise.

So what's your plan here, stick your neck out with a 3bet, break, or smoothcall and rap pat?

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UTG1 is thinking player but he thinks very oddly most of the time, his signature move is raise in position when he catches up to you and is still drawing, he goes really nuts with it.

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Easy 3bet. You're ahead here so often it's ridiculous.

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He could still be drawing although he may raise with up to a T here, definitely with a 9 or worse 8. I'm pretty sure of this although Dustin might know otherwise.

So what's your plan here, stick your neck out with a 3bet, break, or smoothcall and rap pat?

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Funny, I wanted to post about this hand since I found myself in the horrible position of drawing 2 on the turn after getting strung along for two bets. You have to 3-bet him after he draws two. You have him beat most of the time here, and you need to try and drive out utg and myself. (Which a 3 bet certainly would have done for me at least)

So, we know about your play- but how about mine? I called on the turn figuring I would be getting 10-1 to call and draw 2- obviously praying it didnt get raised behind me. Given that I am far from closing the action, is this too loose? River seems pretty standard- I catch pretty close to perfect and know I have Dibbs beat- nobody checks #10 with one player you know is paying you off even with 2 people drawing one behind you, right?

Euri10's TD converter

Hand number: 4296934-6187
Level: $2/$4
Players:
MP($160) seat 0
CO($188) seat 1
Button($147) seat 2
SB($189) seat 3
Hero($206) seat 4
UTG($85) seat 5

Button at seat 2

SB posts. Hero posts.

Hand: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Round 1(0.75BB)

UTG calls. MP raises. CO
folds. Button folds. SB re-raises. Hero calls. UTG calls. MP
calls. SB takes 1. Hero takes 2. undefined. MP takes 2.

Hand: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Round 2(4.75BB)

SB bets. Hero calls. UTG calls. MP calls. SB takes 1. Hero takes 2. undefined. MP takes 2.

Hand: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Round 3(6.75BB)

SB bets. Hero calls. UTG calls. MP raises. SB calls. Hero
calls. UTG calls. SB stands pat. Hero takes 2. undefined. MP takes 1.

Hand: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Round 4(14.75BB)

SB checks. Hero bets. UTG
calls. MP raises. SB folds. Hero calls. UTG folds.

Showdown:
<font color="white">MP shows 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero mucks 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]</font>

Re: Fourway pot make 875 on turn OOP (2-7)
 

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UTG is ultra spot. UTG1 is thinking player but he thinks very oddly most of the time, his signature move is raise in position when he catches up to you and is still drawing, he goes really nuts with it.

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In the thread on relative position a few weeks ago, UTG+1 is the player I described HERE. I am glad to see him back, even if he makes this high variance game even higher with his crazy plays.

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DustinG:

I think your play was really bad here, its outright fishy.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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DustinG:

I think your play was really bad here, its outright fishy.

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I have been operating under the assumption that if I am getting around 10:1, have no reason to think anyone is pat, and am drawing to the nuts- then it is ok to draw 2 on the last draw. I suppose the problem here is that I am only getting 10:1 if the two players behind me called and didn't raise- this seems reasonable even if UTG+1 is loose/nutty. But I suppose it is still too much of a parlay to make that call in that spot. I stand by my river play. Fortunately these situations don't come up very often at all.

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how did you get two new cards when you drew one in the first round?

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DustinG:

I think your play was really bad here, its outright fishy.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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I have been operating under the assumption that if I am getting around 10:1, have no reason to think anyone is pat, and am drawing to the nuts- then it is ok to draw 2 on the last draw. I suppose the problem here is that I am only getting 10:1 if the two players behind me called and didn't raise- this seems reasonable even if UTG+1 is loose/nutty. But I suppose it is still too much of a parlay to make that call in that spot. I stand by my river play. Fortunately these situations don't come up very often at all.

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Round 3(6.75BB)

SB bets. Hero calls. - your getting 7.75:1 and you are not closing the action, its a bad example I'm afraid. Caveat that I'm not home, I'm hung over, and I don't remember my odds chart at the moment because I haven't played TD in 60 days (except last nights drunken live game at the Wynn) but I'm pretty sure that you don't have the right odds and even if you did you know that you are way behind and you are not closing the action which makes the play fishy.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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how did you get two new cards when you drew one in the first round?

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EDIT: Oops, typo, I had 2357K on first round and made a 23578.

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Round 3(6.75BB)

SB bets. Hero calls. - your getting 7.75:1 and you are not closing the action

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Not that it makes too much of a difference, but the converter has failed to add this pot up properly. Predraw we went 3 bets 4 ways- 3x2x4=24. Another 4 small bets on the flop means the pot is 32 minus the rake, which I think is $2. So there should be 7.5 bets in the pot. So, like I said, not that it makes too much of a difference but perhaps it is enough to upgrade my play from downright fishy, to just plain bad. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

No TD in 60 days!?!? I think I'd have to start robbing banks or skying diving if I went 60 days.

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not that it makes too much of a difference but perhaps it is enough to upgrade my play from downright fishy, to just plain bad. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

No TD in 60 days!?!? I think I'd have to start robbing banks or skying diving if I went 60 days.

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meh, how about a bit sushi like? Fishy without the stench.

I need to focus more on my main hold'em game because thats the core of my profit, also I've been playing Stud, Stud 8 and Razz rather badly so I want to devote my "other" time to those games. I might go pro later this year during the time that I move to Vegas, so I'd like to be sure I can support myself rather than spend all of my time playing a high variance game like TD.

Side note - last nights 2-7 4/8 game at the Wynn was myself, Larry David, Justin A and Gonores, one of the Wynn dealers (who got crushed) and a local who played semi-solid. I tipped out at least 3 stacks if not more and still finished up exactly $1 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]Drunken 2-7 with mandatory live straddles, and re-straddles is fun.

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Side note - last nights 2-7 4/8 game at the Wynn was myself, Larry David, Justin A and Gonores, one of the Wynn dealers (who got crushed) and a local who played semi-solid. I tipped out at least 3 stacks if not more and still finished up exactly $1 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]Drunken 2-7 with mandatory live straddles, and re-straddles is fun.

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&lt;- Jealous.

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Stakes?

I'm three betting and deciding what to do after the action behind me. It matters a lot.

Glad to see a TD post in here. HORSE is not other poker in my opinion.

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4 way pots mean lots of dead cards which makes drawing 2 to a winner that much harder. Id almost never draw 2 on last draw in a 4 way pot but if i was to do so i would have to close the action. Closing the action is absolutly mandatory giving you an easy fold.

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Larry David

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Wait, you don't mean Larry David of Curb and Seinfeld, do you? Just some other guy with two first names who likes td? Or perhaps you meant to put a comma in there and it was actually two seperate people? How does he play?

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Larry David

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Wait, you don't mean Larry David of Curb and Seinfeld, do you? Just some other guy with two first names who likes td? Or perhaps you meant to put a comma in there and it was actually two seperate people? How does he play?

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Larry David is a mid to high limit poster here on 2+2, he is not the real Larry David. He plays pretty standard for most TD games I have seen in Vegas, but as he pointed out "how come TT always has the nuts, even when its not the nuts" - I think that says it all. I think we are playing at a much higher level of understanding than the Vegas locals.

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Yeah, anyone who wants to get a TD game in Vegas, come to me in order to get a fishy game. I'm really bad and refuse to think while I play. Mega NLHE Donkey. TT must cheat to play so well. I only call him when I make a perfect 8 with one draw to go. With Justin and Gonores, I say I don't want to raise, but raise anyway for the value payoff with a dirty 9 or T.

I also can't believe I lost the hand where you 6 bet my blind 5 bet when I stayed pat 5 way with a J and one draw to go.

P.S. How was your game after the game?

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Put in the third raise, and stand pat.

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P.S. How was your game after the game?

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We got drunk (or rather I got drunk) and went to Hard Rock to play roulette and shoot craps. I was so drunk that I kept throwing the dice too hard, and I think this is a good place to note that Justin A is a super shooter! Goooo Justin! Roulette was pretty funny, I hit the first spin with a number that Justin picked when I put chips on 1/2 of all of the black numbers, then I sat out a spin because "its not a lucky round". The following round I put 5 chips on my birthday and won a nice little payoff. Apparently I run hot at -ev games!

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P.S. How was your game after the game?

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We got drunk (or rather I got drunk) and went to Hard Rock to play roulette and shoot craps. I was so drunk that I kept throwing the dice too hard, and I think this is a good place to note that Justin A is a super shooter! Goooo Justin! Roulette was pretty funny, I hit the first spin with a number that Justin picked when I put chips on 1/2 of all of the black numbers, then I sat out a spin because "its not a lucky round". The following round I put 5 chips on my birthday and won a nice little payoff. Apparently I run hot at -ev games!

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Sounds fun, but I was hoping it would end a little more risque. Good thinking sitting out the "unlucky" round. I also ran really well the first of two times I played roulette. I suck at craps though. I wonder how much Justin charges for lessons [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Hope you had a good birthday not so old guy.

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Alan, please post here if the Oaks begins to spread TD. I probably won't see you for a while on UB, and I don't want to miss the first few fishy sessions. You can tell the boss man that I will commit to play (prop like) on weekends.