i heart tommy angelo
 

I haven't posted many hands lately. Here's one that incorporates a move I'm trying to perfect:

10-20 game, full ring, 100BBish stacks.

4 loose limpers, I complete the SB with

J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check.

BB leads for 80, gets called by cutoff.

I fold.

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why play preflop if you are going to fold this flop? I mean I get folding but then why limp at all, where is the value in this hand?

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I think you play it preflop because you can fold this flop not in spite of it. That being said, this is more of a standard fold, rather than a Tommy-esque one.

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I personally would almost never call PF in that spot for reasons such as this hand.

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It's true, tommy would fold pre.

But they were sooooooooooted.

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I play exactly the same.

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I think you should fold this preflop.

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why play preflop if you are going to fold this flop? I mean I get folding but then why limp at all, where is the value in this hand?

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Yeah, I didn't mention how bad the limpers were. They were bad. The value, as I saw it, was not so much in the hand's intrinsic value in a vacuum, but rather in how much they would pay off if I happened to hit big.

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http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/folding.htm

awesome article

Re: i heart tommy angelo
 

This is more like 'i heart money'

NT

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Nobody leads this flop ever? (If the hand was played in the first place..)

Re: i heart tommy angelo
 

creed,

In other news, I folded J4o UTG yesterday.

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ROFL

isn't Tommy known for making big crazy laydowns. And this is analagous to a big laydown? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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ROFL

isn't Tommy known for making big crazy laydowns. And this is analagous to a big laydown? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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I had a bad habit of leading in situations like this to "protect my hand". It's a habit I'm trying to kick.

I know I'm not the only one.

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I had a bad habit of leading in situations like this to "protect my hand". It's a habit I'm trying to kick.


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LOL Same on both accounts. I call this preflop every time, and I never even thought twice about that... huh.

Kirk

Re: i heart tommy angelo
 

I heart Tommy too. Mostly because he instafolds this preflop.

Re: i heart tommy angelo
 

I make this fold all the time whats the big deal

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Personally, I've not yet perfected folding like this but I'm getting pretty good at playing like an idiot.

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Standard except preflop becuase its standard to fold when U hit like this

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very easy call preflop.

very easy fold post flop.

how are there this many replies?

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very easy call preflop.

very easy fold post flop.

how are there this many replies?

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people seem to disagree about the preflop.

couple people say they lead here, or wonder why i didn't.

Re: i heart tommy angelo
 

I fold preflop and if I see the flop for some reason I check/fold just like you did. I don't think this hand is out of the ordinary in any way.

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i seem to play much tighter in small blind than most of the people on here. i rarely throw in with hands like Axo or J4s.

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i think hands like Jxs are better in this situation than Axo. (where the x is very small anyway).

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they are both bad

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I sometimes complete with Axo but almost never J4s/J6s. Flush draws out of position in a multiway pot are generally not so great whereas two pair on an A-high board is pretty good, and so is hitting trips top kicker.

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sometimes i feel that when you complete here and the flop is 66x, you still lose money :/

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sometimes i feel that when you complete here and the flop is 66x, you still lose money :/

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I would think you would win alot more if the flop was 66x. I might be totally off, but you still have a better kicker than alot of suited connectors (56s,76s) etc.

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sometimes i feel that when you complete here and the flop is 66x, you still lose money :/

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I would think you would win alot more if the flop was 66x. I might be totally off, but you still have a better kicker than alot of suited connectors (56s,76s) etc.

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This is rarer than losing flush over flush. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]