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CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 12:47 AM

**Trading Deadline Thread **
 
Abreu and Lidle headed to Bronx?

There are still dollar signs to sort out, no-trade clauses to be waived and prospects to be settled on. But it sure looks as if Abreu is moving his act to the Bronx sometime in the next day and a half. And all indications Saturday night were that pitcher Cory Lidle is going to ride that Metroliner along with him. The Phillies and Yankees spent many waking hours Friday and Saturday trotting a thousand different trade options out there. But in the end, the one that seemed to work best for everyone was the option that is going to relocate Abreu and Lidle 100 miles to the north, for a package of three or four of the Yankees' best prospects not named Phillip Hughes or Jose Tabata. The two teams were said to be whittling a list of eight or nine names to a group they could settle on. But while that whittling process wasn't over late Saturday, it was believed that two names the Phillies had targeted were the Yankees' highly regarded No. 1 pick a year ago, shortstop C.J. Wilson, and 6-foot-5 power arm Steven White. That was a price the Yankees could easily live with, however, especially since they're going to owe Abreu close to $37 million over the next 2½ years. The Yankees were the one team in the Abreu hunt that always believed that, in the end, the Phillies' best option would be to clear every dollar in his contract off their debt sheet. So while other teams listened to Abreu's money demands and turned in other directions, the Yankees waited the Phillies out. Finally, on Friday, the Phillies lowered their talent requests -- and the deliberations began. The Phillies tried dangling Abreu alone and didn't feel they were getting enough back. They tried packaging him with pitcher Jon Lieber, who is owed another $10 million through 2007 himself. But the Yankees felt taking on another chunk of cash that large entitled them to offer even less than they would for Abreu alone. So the Phillies substituted Lidle for Lieber, and that apparently made the puzzle pieces fit. No matter how happy the Phillies may be to lop Abreu's money off their I.O.U. list, they also knew they couldn't march up to the podium after trading a player like this and say, "We just saved $20 million on our car insurance." They had to get real players back who could allow them to save face and restock their system. And including their best available starting pitcher was the move that made that happen. So by late Saturday night, there seemed to be only one significant question left: When would they all be stepping to that podium?

God I hope this is true

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 03:37 AM

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Make You Predictions

Where do the following players end up or are they not traded.

A. Soriano?

B Abreu?

M Tejeda?

J. Lugo?

And do the Red Sox make a major trade?

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 03:41 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
Make You Predictions

Where do the following players end up or are they not traded.

A. Soriano?-----Angels

B Abreu?-------Yankees

M Tejeda?------Doesnt go anywhere cuz the O's are retards.

J. Lugo?--------No but if he does..Blue Gays?

And do the Red Sox make a major trade?------No

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yellowdoyle 07-30-2006 03:48 AM

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Soriano is definitely not going to the Angels. Stoneman is so conservative, he won't match the price for a free agent to be.

brettbrettr 07-30-2006 11:21 AM

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I don't see the point of adding these guys, exsp at these salaries. Sometimes I hate the Yankees.

kolotoure 07-30-2006 12:09 PM

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Whoever the angels trade for they better not use Kendrick as part of the trade

Roan 07-30-2006 01:32 PM

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As an O's fan I'm more worried about what they do with their dead weight guys that other teams might have some need for (Hawkins, Rodrigo Lopez, Conine, Millar) then what they do with Tejada.

Tejada can be moved now, next offseason, next deadline, 2 offseasons from now, etc.

But these other guys need to get moved in the next 36 hours or it is just malpractice from the 2 headed GM/Angelos

Karak567 07-30-2006 01:54 PM

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ESPN News has reported that the Yankees and Phillies have reached an agreement for Bobby Abreu. Bobby Abreu was just pulled from the Philly lineup as well.

TheRover 07-30-2006 02:05 PM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2534459

Lidle has some nice K ratios.

Henry is hitting .237/.326/.350 in A ball

Homer 07-30-2006 02:05 PM

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ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts.

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Am I right that the Phillies are saying, "please, just take him and his bloated salary"? What they're getting in return is basically garbage.

junglewarfare 07-30-2006 02:06 PM

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cj henry + matt smith + small player x + $$$$$$

for

abreu and lidle

i like it for the yankees

TheRover 07-30-2006 02:07 PM

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ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts.

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Am I right that the Phillies are saying, "please, just take him and his bloated salary"? What they're getting in return is basically garbage.

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Yes.

4 High 07-30-2006 02:17 PM

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Sadly a great deal for the yanks.

andyfox 07-30-2006 02:39 PM

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Does this mean they don't expect Sheffield and/or Matsui back this year? And that, regardless, Sheffield will not be back next year anyway

brettbrettr 07-30-2006 02:40 PM

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Does this mean they don't expect Sheffield and/or Matsui back this year? And that, regardless, Sheffield will not be back next year anyway

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No, they expect both back. And even though Sheffield is a goner after this year, the emergance of Melky makes me wonder why in the hell we needed a(nother) $15m outfielder.

Karak567 07-30-2006 02:43 PM

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I am most excited about the .427 OBP

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 02:49 PM

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I'd be shocked if sheff comes back and is full strength
Matsui maybe.

Abreu>>>>>guil/bernie/bubba
Lidle>>>>>>ponson/wright

We don't loose any major prospects or proctor.

We can handle more money, plus we haven't picked up Abreu's option...its the Yankees.

brettbrettr 07-30-2006 02:52 PM

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I read Abreu would verto any trade that didn't involve his option being picked up. That happen or no?

Sheff and Matsui are both supposedly ahead of schedule. I'm not saying the'll be full stregnth, but I wouldn't bet $15M against it. Especially when the platoon is servicable. Anyhoo, we gave up exactly nothing, and its George's money, so why not. If we didn't pick up Abreau's option I love it.

NT! 07-30-2006 02:56 PM

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Does this mean they don't expect Sheffield and/or Matsui back this year? And that, regardless, Sheffield will not be back next year anyway

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No, they expect both back. And even though Sheffield is a goner after this year, the emergance of Melky makes me wonder why in the hell we needed a(nother) $15m outfielder.

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Either they Melky or Bubba will probably turn into a pitcher before next year. Probably Melky since he's worth more in trade and whoever stays is going to be a PR/backup/utility kind of guy.

This trade makes me so sad. I'm predicting right now that Abreu hits about .350 in August.

NT

LegallyBlind 07-30-2006 03:03 PM

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I read Abreu would verto any trade that didn't involve his option being picked up. That happen or no?

Sheff and Matsui are both supposedly ahead of schedule. I'm not saying the'll be full stregnth, but I wouldn't bet $15M against it. Especially when the platoon is servicable. Anyhoo, we gave up exactly nothing, and its George's money, so why not. If we didn't pick up Abreau's option I love it.

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no, yankees didn't have to pick up his option

DougOzzzz 07-30-2006 03:31 PM

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This trade makes me so sad. I'm predicting right now that Abreu hits about .350 in August.

NT

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Lidle will probably be this year's Shawn Chacon as well.

Hoya 07-30-2006 03:40 PM

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I am absolutely crushed as a Phillies fan. I would have much rather kept Lidle, let him go for draft picks after the season, and just kept Abreu. I wouldn't have thought this was a good return for just Lidle.

There is very little chance that anyone the Phils got will ever be worth a damn. Sad, sad, sad that we ditch Wade and things don't get any better.

TheRover 07-30-2006 03:41 PM

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Indians second baseman Ron Belliard is expected to be traded to the Cardinals if he makes it through Sunday's game healthy, FOXSports.com has learned.

The Cardinals also could acquire right-handed reliever Guillermo Mota in the deal, but the Indians are still talking about Mota with other clubs.

Belliard, 31, recently missed six games with a hamstring injury, but returned to the Indians' lineup Saturday. The Cardinals want to make sure that he is fully recovered before completing the deal.

Belliard entered Sunday's play batting .289 with a .335 on-base percentage, eight homers and 44 RBIs. He figures to be an upgrade over Aaron Miles, who has batted .224 since June 1. The Cardinals rank next-to-last in the National League in on-base/slugging percentage at second base.

Mota, 32, entered Sunday's play with a 6.21 ERA and .370 opponents' on-base percentage. He has a 3.86 ERA in July, but that number is deceptive: His opponents' OBP is .375.

benza13 07-30-2006 04:44 PM

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The Yankees' projected lineup for September, if and when Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield come back from injury, could look something like this:
CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
1B Jason Giambi
DH Gary Sheffield
RF Bobby Abreu
3B Alex Rodriguez
LF Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
2B Robinson Cano
- Buster Olney

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Really think they move ARod down to sixth? I just can't see him taking that well.

kolotoure 07-30-2006 04:54 PM

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Why on earth would you bat A-Rod 6th??

Jack of Arcades 07-30-2006 05:19 PM

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yankees picked up another over-30, overpaid hitter who can't field? shocked. shocked.

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 05:23 PM

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lol our number 9 hitter hits over .300....sweet.

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 05:28 PM

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CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
RF Bobby Abreu
1B Jason Giambi
3B Alex Rodriguez
DH Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
2B Robinson Cano
LF Melky Cabrera

sightless 07-30-2006 05:29 PM

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CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
RF Bobby Abreu
1B Jason Giambi
3B Alex Rodriguez
DH Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
2B Robinson Cano
LF Melky Cabrera

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It will be so sweet when Yankees will not win world series this year

benza13 07-30-2006 05:37 PM

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Why on earth would you bat A-Rod 6th??

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Didn't say I would, Buster Olney said they would and I was wondering wtf he was thinking.

Charlie's lineup looks a little more realistic.

THAY3R 07-30-2006 05:39 PM

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How about
1 Jeter
2 Abreu
3 A-Rod
4 Giambi
5 Sheff
6 Matsui
7 Posada
8 Cano
9 Damon

CharlieDontSurf 07-30-2006 05:43 PM

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Sheff aint coming back
once he realizes that if he reinjures that wrist by playing in the last couple of weeks of the season he'll play it safe.

Especially because of what he saw with D. Lee.

New001 07-30-2006 06:00 PM

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How about
1 Jeter
2 Abreu
3 A-Rod
4 Giambi
5 Sheff
6 Matsui
7 Posada
8 Cano
9 Damon

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I'm fairly certain that's what I'd have it as, or close.

TheHip41 07-30-2006 06:15 PM

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lol our number 9 hitter hits over .300....sweet.

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Tigers number 9 hitter leads the team in HR, go figure

bugstud 07-30-2006 06:16 PM

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yankees picked up another over-30, overpaid hitter who can't field? shocked. shocked.

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at least he can hit, though.

prohornblower 07-30-2006 11:24 PM

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Abreau goes largely unnoticed as one of the best offensive weapons in the game for years.

Now that he is a Yankee, we can all look forward to his overexposure.

Awesome.

THAY3R 07-31-2006 12:07 AM

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Except the Yankees have had plenty of underrated players.

Triumph36 07-31-2006 12:47 AM

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How can he be overexposed - he's on a team with 3 unquestionably better hitters.

Anyway, I was thinking about this deal and what it means for Melky Cabrera - Abreu only has a year left on his deal after this season, so they can use Melky in around 120 games next year while rotating the DH between Matsui, Giambi, and Abreu. Then Abreu walks and maybe Melky gets put into the lineup full-time. Andy Phillips is a weak spot in the Yankees' lineup, and how the Yankees continue to go without a RP level hitting first baseman while the Red Sox have like 10 is rather astounding.

Either that, or he should be moved now. His value isn't going to go up if the Yankees don't use him next year. If he's not in their long-term plans he should be shipped out ASAP - 21 year old outfielders with good plate discipline and a high batting average are worth a decent amount.

junglewarfare 07-31-2006 01:12 AM

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IMO this is about as good a deal the Yankees could realistically pull off at the deadline. Abreu may be overpaid, past his prime, and poor in the field, but he is waaay better than putting out Bubba Crosby or Aaron Guiel. Lidle is nothing special in the grand scheme of things but he is a marked improvement over chacon/ponson/wright. He will be able to pitch a good number of innings, he'll definitely go deeper than any of those 3, and K/BB numbers aren't even that bad. Nice improvement there.

We gave up CJ Henry, some very raw SS prospect who is years and years away from his not large chance of making it in the majors. Matt Smith is very very meh... for all the improvement the Yankees are getting I am going to go ahead and say... great!

Wynton 07-31-2006 10:43 AM

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Unfortunately, this looks like a steal for the Yankees.

Hard to believe the Phillies could not do better.


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