TLDR Beer Club
 

Update 9/11/07: This thread has been going for quite some time now, and it looks rather lengthy. While I'd say that it's still interesting to read straight through, I've constructed an index that contains a sorted list of every review that's been posted in this thread. If you're wanting to look up a new beer to try out witout wading through a monster thread, this will be a handy resource.

One other thing I'd like to say is just because this thread is large doesn't mean that new contributors are unwelcome. I, and all the active readers of this thread, are interested in getting new people involved all the time, so even if you feel like you're fairly new to beer, haven't tried everything that's been reviewed, or haven't read many of the other reviews, don't be intimidated about posting your own take on any beer you've tried. No need to worry about using flowery language or exotic descriptions or being a "beer expert," whatever that means. Just tell us whether you liked the beer or not, although it's usually helpful if you compare the beer you're reviewing to another you've tried. Also, don't worry if a beer you're reviewing has been reviewed a few times already by people in this thread. Getting a new take on a beer is always welcome, since your tastes may be different from some of the other reviewers. Mainstream or microbrew, light or dark, import or domestic, we'd like to hear about it all, so we encourage anyone to participate.

And now below, is the original text that started this thread:

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OK, let's kick this thing off. The TLDR Beer Club will be for people to try out new beer and report their findings. If you're not already a beer enthusiast who's tried everything under the sun, here's all you have to do to become a member:

Next time you're out beer shopping, pick a variety of beer you enjoy (IPA, brown ale, stout, barleywine, lambic, pilsner, whatever) and buy two different examples of that variety: one that you've tried before and like, and one you've never tried before. Go back home, try them out, and write up a comparison, telling us which you liked better and why. This would give people more to read about your recommendation, and people who read it are more likely to have tried one of the beers you're reviewing, letting them better identify. Please post the reviews in this thread so we can keep them all together for reference and commentary.

For continuing adventures in the beer club, you can try out a new variety and pair of beers, expand on your first adventure or that of others, or whatever branch you want to take from there. Hopefully, we'll end up with quite a record of great beers to try (and probably some to avoid). I may not get to my first pair right away, but anyone is welcome to kick things off before I do. Bottoms up!

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sweet idea

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On my way home I stopped at my liquor store and to my surprise, they let me mix and match out of their "singles" section. So I created my own 6-pack out of 2 of each of the following:

Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA (based on a previous thread)
Warsteiner (no type listed on bottle, wtf? But it looked interesting)
Long Trail Hibernator

At this very moment I am drinking the 60 minute IPA, and thus far it is nothing short of great. It really has a good bite to it and seems to linger for a good amount of time. I will report more on it and the others as I imbibe them.

This is going to be awesome.

Edit: Wookie- Can we have people put a one or two word review in bold at the end of their review posts (i.e AWESOME or STAY AWAY ) just to make the thread easier for those who want to skim it in flat mode?

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Wookie - great idea, I'm not the most knowledgeable person on beers, but I love to try new ones.

Last night I tried the Spaten Optimator - Here is a Beer Advocate review of it

I mentioned it in the German Food Thread I started over in OOT.

I found it to have a slightly sweet nose (is this just a wine term? donno) and hints of molasses / brown sugary sweetness in taste. Medium-bodied, overall I enjoyed it quite a bit. Also was told 7.0% alcohol, nice.

To ground you somewhat, my favorite beer is Young's Double Chocolate Stout - this had similar characteristics I thought.

-Al

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Acoustix,

Warsteiner I'm fairly sure is a hefeweizen. I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard good things. DFH 60 is nothing short of great, and I'm glad you like it. As for highlighting a summary, sure, sounds good.

Al,

Optimator is a great beer I discovered after taking the physics GRE. The people who took it with me all went to a nearby bar to drown our sorrows of the test. I ordered a liter of it because it had a cool name, and I was not disappointed. Afterwards, I was pretty tanked.

And as for using the term "nose," sure, you can use it to describe beer. It's just a fancy way of saying "smell."

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I really like Spaten Optimator. I drank a 6pack of it in preperation for the kotkp tournies!

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Wookie:

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And as for using the term "nose," sure, you can use it to describe beer. It's just a fancy way of saying "smell."

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2 breweries I always hear mentioned in best-ofs are Samuel Smith's (I'm a fan of their Oatmeal Stout) and Young's. Beers from these 2 breweries never fail to dissapoint me.

-Al

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Sam Smith and Young's are both IMO good but not reat breweries, although Sam Smith is a decent amount better. Ultimately, they're probably worth giving a try, but there's probably 50 better breweries than those two, although I do reccomend Young's double chocalate stout, and Sam Smith's imperial stout and oatmeal stout.

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M: I don't really like Warsteiner. I can't really remember, but talking about it with the bartender last time I had it a while back, I think he said it was not technically a hefeweizen, but they still recommended drinking it with a lemon. I don't remember what he said exactly, but I do remember that I didn't care for it, nor do I care for hefeweizens.

SL and others looking to just make short suggestions: you should check out the OOT Beer Club thread. I'd love to hear some of you elaborate on some of the one-liner recommendations in that thread.

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Warsteiner is a standard, run-of-the-mill European Lager. Not sure exactly what, it might be a Pils. In any case, its certainly nothing special. Its a huge brewery, though, with worldwide distribution and pretty good saturation in many markets. I'm not a big fan, but its not offensive or anything.

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I have added like 4 threads to my favorites list today... all dealing with beer/drinking.

I think we should focus on food next, because good food and good drinks go hand in hand.


Also, has anyone ever been to a big beer tasting event? I'm thinking about going to this one that is coming up in October in MN... maybe someone has even been to it before?




Info here

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SL,

I have been to many big beer tasting events. They are great and always result in incoherent levels of drunkenness.

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SL,

I have been to many big beer tasting events. They are great and always result in incoherent levels of drunkenness.

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Thats what I was hoping for.

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SL,

Look for some whiskey tastings to take that to the next level. OMFG, DEADLY.

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My fiancee just tried the Warsteiner and she claims it tastes like crappy German water. Not much to it she said. I will investigate of course, but outlook seems poor for it.

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Acoustix,

Warsteiner I'm fairly sure is a hefeweizen. I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard good things. DFH 60 is nothing short of great, and I'm glad you like it. As for highlighting a summary, sure, sounds good.



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Warsteiner is a large German brewery that makes several different beers. Link to USA site.

They make a hefeweizen, but I have never seen it. What most people think of as Warsteiner is their pilsner, a good German lager. Their dark beer (Dunkel) has a little more body and flavor.

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I'm with diablo. I don't like warsteiner but I'm also not a hef fan.

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acoustix,

I like the trust you put in your fiancee's opinion.

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She actually drinks more beer than I do and generally has better taste than me. When she found me, I was drinking Bud Light and Corona. She introduced me to a little thing called Guinness. The rest as they say is history.

Review: Moinette Brune
 

Beer: Moinette Brune
Style: Moinette (Ale)
Price: $9.70 for a 750ml bottle

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Brewed by the world renowned Brasserie Dupont in Belgium comes this magnificent Moinette Ale. At a price of $9.70 for a 750ml, this may not be an 'every day' beer, but rather one to be enjoyed with a great meal, or simply when you feel like spoiling yourself.

Here is how it looks out of the glass:
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Really a nice amber color.

The taste it slightly sweet, with a nutty and caramel taste. It is somewhat dry. It doesn't come out and shock you with an any overely sharp hop taste, but rather is a supremely balanced beer with a noticable herbal bouquet. There is a noticable alcohol taste, but it simply contributes to the well rounded taste this beer shows.

IMHO, a perfect example of the highest grade of Belgium brewing.

Grade: 5/5

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I went to the Autumn Brew Review two years ago and it was awesome, especially when ol' Johnny puked his guts out on Peavey Plaza. This is is a much better event than the similar event put on by City Pages that I went to a month or two back. There was a much better selection of beers, and it wasn't so damned crowded. There also wasn't the ridiculous queue to get in.

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Warsteiner's flagship brew is a pilsner. I'm not big on pilsners, and Warsteiner is about the same as any other decent pilsner as near as I can tell. They have/had a marketing campaign in the US where they say, "because life is too short to drink cheap beer." I couldn't agree more. Of course, Warsteiner is the best-selling beer in Germany. Know why? Because it's cheap.

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The practice of putting lemons in hefe-weizens was started as a way to mask the flavor of inferior beer. I don't think the flavors go together, really. With a witbier, it at least makes some sense, because there's citrus (orange peel) in that style. No matter which style, I cast the fruit aside with disdain.

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Seems to me that the Long Trail Hibernator is a winter seasonal. I liked it, but (1) it might be old and (2) I don't like winter beers when it's 80 degrees out.

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Warsteiner is a standard, run-of-the-mill European Lager. Not sure exactly what, it might be a Pils. In any case, its certainly nothing special. Its a huge brewery, though, with worldwide distribution and pretty good saturation in many markets. I'm not a big fan, but its not offensive or anything.

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I was about to write almost the exact same thing. So yeah, Warsteiner = lightish lager. Oh, and in my time in Germany I got the impression it was the German Bud.

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I try to shy away from calling a beer the "XXX Budweiser," for the simple reason that Bud - and other US macrobrews - actively sought the least tasteful beer possible, while I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt to other breweries wrt being super-accessible. I've read rumors of AB using a grain bill and accentuating yeast so that the gravity is low enough they actually add water back, but those are just interrumors.

Recently AB decided to actually add more hops to their beers, which were previously a ghost on the IBU scale, just to add more flavor and combat the craft brews somewhat. Its not like smaller brews will ever be able to compete, but that particular baby-step makes me happy.

NEW REVIEW
 

Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA
ABV=6%

I tried this solely because it was so highly recommended in other beer threads. I do not normally like IPAs but I decided that in order to be well rounded in my beer culture I would have to take one for the team.

Based on looks alone, the bottle design is kind of bleh. Simple green label with the logo and the beer name in standard typeface across. But what we really want is inside the bottle, right?

Upon first smell, one word comes to mind: Hoppy. This is pretty much par for the course for most IPAs, but in particular the 60 minute IPA has a strong smell. I tasted it, gently swirling it around my mouth. I notice a nice "bite" to it, that seems to linger on the back of your tongue for a while. The downfall to this, to me, is after a while the after taste started to seem almost metallic. Like I was sucking on a nickel. It is a bit bitter, but not overwhelmingly so. It is decidedly more mild than other IPAs I have had. Overall, I found more pleasant than I prepared myself for. I would drink it again if someone offered it to me, but I don't think I would load up my own cooler with it. Again, IPAs aren't my first choice in general.

It seems like this is a good beer to have with a mild tasting dish. Maybe a swordfish steak. Definitely not a beer I would chug while eating wings, though.

My Rating:
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GOOD
I liked it a lot upon first taste, but as the bottle wore on, the metallic taste kind of brought it down for me. I would like to try the 90 minute, and see if it suffers the same problem. The IPA lover will no doubt dig this.

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Just had La Chouffe, which is a golden belgian ale similar to Duvel, so here are the notes I have for the two.

Duvel:

Pale yellow with a huge white head. Aroma is clove, sugar, pear, yeast. Flavor is sweet, with fruit and clove notes. Finish is a bit bitter but not as bitter as delirium tremens but stonger than leffe. Has enough of a bitter kick to keep it from being too cloying. Nice warmth from the alcohol as you finish the bottle.

my notes for Le Chouffe are,

Pours hazy golden with a huge foamy head. Aroma is sweet, with yeasty and candy sugar notes. Nice coriander hints. Flavor is sweet, spicy, slight hints of citrus, and medium bitterness for a belgian. Finish is nice, but could last a bit longer. not as hyped as Duvel, but just as good if not better in my opinion.

My rating for Le Chouffe
4/5 and just a hair better than Duvel. I reccomend it to those looking for a duvel-type beer, I think le chouffe is a bit cheaper and at least for me is easier to find.

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Had hocus pocus tonight, which is an american wheat/ hefeweizen. ( For those who are unaware, most american beers sold as hefeweizens are not so, as hefeweizens are only brewed with barley, wheat, yeast, hops, and water. Specifically, they should be brewed with german yeasts which produce banana bubblegum and occasionally clove flavored esthers. Also, unlike krystalweizens the yeast is unfiltered which gives them the cloudy appearance. Most american hefeweizens are brewed with american yeasts and hops which gives them their citrus flavor.) I think a pretty close parallel of this is pyramid and Widmer brothers hefeweizens. My notes for the three are as follows.

Pyramid
Straw, hazy color. Medium white head. Slight citrus aroma to it Flavor had a distinct wheat taste, but not much citrus. not particulaarly good. Medium to low bitterness. ok mouthfeel. Nothing spectacular overall. Decently refreshing
2.5/5

Widmer brothers

Hazy yellow, medium to large white foam. Aroma has hints of banana, and you can smell the wheat malt. Light to medium body. Flavor tasted like citrus, hints of banana, low bitterness. Finish was dissappointing due to lack of hops. An ok american wheat.

Overall 3/5

Hocus Pocus

Pours golden with a small white head. Not really any hazyness to it. Aroma is weak citrus, honey, wheat notes,. Flavor is wheaty with weak hints of citrus. Nice amount of bitterness but a very thin mouthfeel. Overall a very boring brew.

overall 2/5

If you're a big fan of the style you might be a fan of it, but I think American Wheat is one of the worse beer styles out there, and this didn't do much of anything for me. Pass on this one for Widmer brothers or pyramid or sam summer if you're in the mood for a wheat beer.

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I am too uneducated to review any beers however Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold has jumped to the top of my list. Wondering if anyone has ever tasted it and if so could you do a proper review in this thread?

Dortmunder Gold is really delicious and has a very pretty orange color. I believe it's bottled in Cleveland.


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Beer: Ommegang Abbey Ale
Style: Belgian Strong Dark Ale
Price: $5.70 for a 750ml bottle

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This is my follow up to the Moinette Brune review. Although not exactly similar, the 2 beers are close enough in style to provide an interesting comparison.

Ommegang is owned/operated by Duvel, who produce some of the most widely distributed Belgian Ales. Everything in the brewery is shipped from Belgium. The only thing American about this beer is the water used. In addition, there is slightly less live yeast used, ostensibly b/c the beer is not shipped across the Atlantic. So this is basically a Belgium beer produced in the US. Why? b/c this way it can be sold for $5.70 instead of $8 or $9.

Anywho, here is how it looks out of the glass

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It's darker than the Moinette, with more amber colors. The alchohol (8.5%, same as the Moinette) comes through pretty strongly. Another key difference is the amount of fruit tastes. You can pick up some 'earthy fruit' flavors, like figs and plums, as well as some faint spicy flavors.

The taste and complexity of the beer is excellent. At 60% the price of the import, I think this is the superior value. But I think the slightly stronger alcohol taste puts this American Belgian Ale a small amount below it's old world cousin.

Grade: 4.7/5

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I love the beer from Ommegang, and I consider myself blessed to live in the same state so I can easily get it. I have a bottle of their Three Philosopher's ale sitting in my fridge right now. It's a pretty different style, but I may post it as a follow up to your Ommegang because I don't really have any quadrupel/lambic blends to contrast it with. Your review of that Moinette is also making me want to go pick up a bottle next time I'm out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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Summary at the end for everyone who doesn't want to wade through my long... non-expert reviews.

This weekend (over two nights) I tried 4 new beers. Since 3 of the 4 new beers were IPAs, I'm going to start with my standard IPA. After that I reviewed the new ones in order from least favorite to favorite IPA, with an Imperial Stout thrown in at the end.

My "standard" IPA is Summit IPA. I've always liked Summit's beers. They are pretty inexpensive and most of their beers have a very distinct "Summit" flavor... specifically their beers are generally very malty. This one is no different. It has a nice amber color with a medium amount of lighter colored head. It doesn't taste like what you would expect an "American IPA" to taste like at all and I'm sure that turns a lot of people off. There is a definate light hoppy flavor, maybe a hint of caramel... and a heavy malty flavor. I like this beer as it is a good value and probably has some sentimental value as it is the first IPA I ever drank and is brewed a few miles from my house.

Overall, I give it a 3/5, but at ~$7-8/6 with a 5.8%abv, its a pretty good value. Not a "great" beer, but definately a "good" beer... If you are looking for something affordable and like malty beer, give it a try. (after looking it up, I was suprised to find this actually has a higher IBU then the Dogfish 60 (67).

Next comes my least favorite of the 4 new beers I tried, the Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA. Now don't get me wrong, when I say it was my least favorite, I'm not saying I didn't like it. In fact, the opposite was true, this is a very good beer. Good combination of bitter and fruity/hoppy flavors. I thought this was a very drinkable beer. By "drinkable" I mean that I could spend a night just drinking this beer and not grow tired of it at all. I didn't really notice the "metallic" taste acoustix was talking about... I payed $10 for 6 of them (in WI) so its a pretty good value too. Overall I'd give this beer... 3.5/5

The next new IPA was the Dogfish Head 90 min. This was a great beer, one of the best tasting beers I've ever had. Sweet fruity/hoppy flavor. Basically it lived up to all the good things everyone else has had to say about it. At $10/4 its still not a bad deal, especially with a 9% abv. I will definately drink this again in the near future. My only problem with it is that it could be a little too sweet to keep drinking throughout a night. I only had one and every sip of it tasted excellent, but I don't think I'd want more then 2 of these in a night. I'd give this a 4.5/5.

The third and my favorite IPA I tried was the Great Divide Hercules Double IPA. I remembered someone saying one of their other beers was pretty good, so I decided to give this one a try.

First, I think the Dogfish Head "minutes" is the same as their IBU, is that right? The 60 is listed as having an IBU of 60 which is what makes me think so. This one had an IBU of 85, so if I'm right about that, it had almost as much hops added as the Dogfish 90.

When poured, I found it to have quite a bit more head, which lasted longer, then the Dogfish 90. This beer is also a little maltier, which I liked. The extra malty flavor also balances out the high quantity of hops. This beer wasn't as sweet as the 90 but had a great bitter aftertaste that kept me wanting more. I could see drinking this beer from the beginning of the night until it knocks me out. It gets a 4.8/5 and wins the "standard" I will use to compare the next round of IPAs I try. I think I payed $4 or $5 for a 22 oz bottle. It had the most abv of the 4 beers at 9.1%. Right now this is listed as the 5th best IPA in the world and the 36th best overall on ratebeer.com... I would really like to taste the 4 IPAs listed ahead of it.

The last beer I tried this weekend was the Rogue Imperial Stout. On the bottle it says that it is best when aged for one year, the one I had was bottled in 2003. I generally like stouts, but its not my favorite type of beer and as such, I don't have a ton of experience with them...

Anyway, a few people on the ratebeer.com site said this pours like old motor oil and they were right on. This is probably the thickest and blackest stout I've had. Had some dark, caramel colored? head that disipated pretty quickly. Tons of flavor(s) with a chocolatey/coffee aftertaste. Great beer, definately worth trying... but probably not something I'm going to have often in the future. More malt/hops/alcohol then the avg. stout. I think I payed close to $4 for a 12oz bottle (11.6%abv) Still... drinking it was an enjoyable experience and I give it a 4.5/5 overall.


Since this post is probably too long (altho this is the tldr forum) I'll give a quick summary:

Reviewed 3 IPAs I tried for the first time and a local one I've had many times.

Summit IPA = 3/5 light hoppy flavor... VERY malty, especially for an IPA. 5.8%abv, good value at $7-8 per 6pack.

Dogfish Head 60min IPA = 3.5/5. Good balanced but still hoppy flavor. Very drinkable, 6%abv, decent value at $10/6.

Dogfish Head 90min IPA = Loved it. 4.5/5. Sweet fruity/hoppy flavor. Not much bitter flavor or aftertaste. Loved every sip but wouldn't have more then 1-2 in an evening. 9%abv Payed $10 for 4... so not too bad but not an "everyday" beer either.

Great Divide Hercules Double IPA = Loved it. 4.8/5. Not as sweet as the Dogfish Head 90, but with a great bitter aftertaste. 9.1%abv... I think I payed ~$4 for a 22oz bottle. A must try for any IPA lover imo.

I also tried Rogue Imperial Stout. Gave it a 4.5/5. Very dark and thick even for a stout. "pours like motor oil." Delicious but overpriced imo.

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First, I think the Dogfish Head "minutes" is the same as their IBU, is that right? The 60 is listed as having an IBU of 60 which is what makes me think so. This one had an IBU of 85, so if I'm right about that, it had almost as much hops added as the Dogfish 90.


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All of DogfishHead's "minute" beers reflect the amount of time that hops were added continuously to the brew kettle. The other distinguishing factor between the beers is the alcohol content -- 60-Minute runs about 6% ABV, 90-Minute is 9%, and 120-Minute is somewhere between 15% and 20%.

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I just checked their site and apparently the IBU rating on the beers is the same as the number of minutes so they must just add enough hops for 1IBU every minute.

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BTW, if you liked 90-Minute and Hercules and want to continue exploring double/imperial IPAs, I would recommend Stone Ruination and Three Floyds Dreadnaught.

For the past couple of years, me and some friends have done a "Beer Madness" tournament, coinciding with the March Madness college hoops tourney, where we put together a bracket of great beers (divided into regions by style) and do blind head-to-head tastings. Winner moves on to the next round, and eventually we crown a champion.

This past year, our list of potential candidates mostly consisted of hoppy beers, so we gave in and made it a hop-fest, with two regions of IPAs, one of pale ales, and a double IPA region. Ruination won the double IPA region, with Dreadnaught coming in second (both Hercules and 90-Minute were part of the field).

So check 'em out...

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Good series of reviews. Last time I went beer shopping, I picked up the Great Divide Barley Wine (at the bottom) and was very pleased with it. I was torn at the time between picking up the double IPA and the barley wine. It looks like it was a decision I couldn't get wrong, and I'll have to pick up the double IPA next time.

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Their barley wine looks like it gets better reviews then the double IPA. They have a few beers that are supposed to be excellent...

I've always thought they looked like dumb novelty beers, but I guess I was way off...

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BTW, if you liked 90-Minute and Hercules and want to continue exploring double/imperial IPAs, I would recommend Stone Ruination and Three Floyds Dreadnaught.

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I don't know if I'd call Ruination a double IPA. To me it doesn't have enough malt to go with the hops. I think of it more as an IPA with double the hops & 40% more malt. Arrogant Bastard is more of a double IPA.

Dreadnaught is an awesome beer. I'm glad to hear that they've started bottling it again, but being in Phoenix that doesn't do me much good.

Another good double IPA is Stoudt's out of PA. Probably one of the best I've tasted.

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After a couple of rounds of Bingo at the local club last night I decided to try some Canadian Beer. I didnt have much on me at the time, and could only afford 10 pints, so I can't really tell you how good it was.