Harry Demetrieu Escorted Out of tournament??
 

Here is something interesting. Anyone know more about this incident?
http://pokerwire.com/results.php?tit...&uid=18176
Harry Demetrieu voiced his opinion about the format for today's shootout. He shouted that he wanted a refund. He was given a 30-minute penalty, but continued his protest, and was escorted out of the poker room and ejected from the tournament.

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Mentioned here.

That thread has a whole lot more about how Harry feels about Harrah's in general. CP noted it, but that post got deleted in their live updates blog within a few minutes.

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More details here: http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10575

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Very nice.

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Harry D objected. He said that this wasn't the advertised event and he wanted a refund, and he had a point. A six handed freezeout is not the same as a ten handed one. The strategy is different and you have to win more tables to make the final.

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I believe that they are going to ten-player tables after the first round. Might Harry have not acted out if he realized this?

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Yeah, upon re-reading this I think he was being a bit petty but he'd have a case if someone else gave a [censored]. Initially I thought it was because some tables had more players than others.

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Harry seems to be a little self-righteous, no?

I can't disagree with a single point he's made in his complaints, but really.... suck it up.

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I can't disagree with a single point he's made in his complaints, but really.... suck it up.

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Yes maybe he should suck it up, after all he only paid a measly 2 thousand + something dollars to enter that tourney [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Very nice.

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Harry D objected. He said that this wasn't the advertised event and he wanted a refund, and he had a point. A six handed freezeout is not the same as a ten handed one. The strategy is different and you have to win more tables to make the final.

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I believe that they are going to ten-player tables after the first round. Might Harry have not acted out if he realized this?

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Don't you still have to win two tables to make the final table? I suppose they could have made the first round 10-handed and the 2nd round 6-handed. Or just had a 6-person final table. But it has to be 10-10-6 in some combination, unless you want to deal with uneven tables. What is the big deal?

I fact, the rules of the tournament state that there would be 100 players advancing to the 2nd round. They don't say anything about the number of players at the first round tables except that their might be 11 players. Making the first round 6-handed was the only way not to break the rules assuming there were actually only 600 people signed up.

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Just an addendum: The tournament was played out exactly as advertised. They state 100 ppl make day 2, and the only way to have that happen with 600 entrants is to have 100 6 person tables. No where do they state there will be full tables.

But even so, if he's +EV over the field, get over yourself. You could get worked up over every minor travesty that happens in your life, or you can roll with the punches.

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Given that he already had a beef with the organizers about the HORSE event and the overall mishandling of the WSOP by them, this doesn't surprise me.

I think the floor has been overly liberal in handing out penalties instead of seeing why players could be frustrated. I think next year's WSOP will see a lot of changes or the popularity of certain events will start to die down a bit.

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I fact, the rules of the tournament state that there would be 100 players advancing to the 2nd round. They don't say anything about the number of players at the first round tables except that their might be 11 players. Making the first round 6-handed was the only way not to break the rules assuming there were actually only 600 people signed up.

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Exactly. I think I would like 10-6-10 a little better, but the difference between that and 6-10-10 and 10-10-6 is miniscule.

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I can't disagree with a single point he's made in his complaints, but really.... suck it up.

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Yes maybe he should suck it up, after all he only paid a measly 2 thousand + something dollars to enter that tourney [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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So did everybody else playing in the tournament, and they didn't act like jackasses. He got what he deserved.

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I can't disagree with a single point he's made in his complaints, but really.... suck it up.

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Yes maybe he should suck it up, after all he only paid a measly 2 thousand + something dollars to enter that tourney [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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So did everybody else playing in the tournament, and they didn't act like jackasses. He got what he deserved.

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And they knew what to expect.

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I fact, the rules of the tournament state that there would be 100 players advancing to the 2nd round. They don't say anything about the number of players at the first round tables except that their might be 11 players. Making the first round 6-handed was the only way not to break the rules assuming there were actually only 600 people signed up.

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Exactly. I think I would like 10-6-10 a little better, but the difference between that and 6-10-10 and 10-10-6 is miniscule.

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10-6-10 would make more sense since 10% of the field gets paid.

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10-6-10 would make more sense since 10% of the field gets paid.

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Right--it's approximately what they used last year with the Limit Hold'em shooutout (10-5-9). I guess Harrah's wanted to pay more people this year.

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Just an addendum: The tournament was played out exactly as advertised. They state 100 ppl make day 2, and the only way to have that happen with 600 entrants is to have 100 6 person tables. No where do they state there will be full tables.

But even so, if he's +EV over the field, get over yourself. You could get worked up over every minor travesty that happens in your life, or you can roll with the punches.

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Either way, you think escorting people out is a good option? Noone should be able to express what they feel about a product they payed alot for? I guess Dave on LATB is right about Harrahs. The things that happened this year man.... LOL whats next?

WSOP will never be the same again... *sigh*

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I fact, the rules of the tournament state that there would be 100 players advancing to the 2nd round. They don't say anything about the number of players at the first round tables except that their might be 11 players. Making the first round 6-handed was the only way not to break the rules assuming there were actually only 600 people signed up.

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Exactly. I think I would like 10-6-10 a little better, but the difference between that and 6-10-10 and 10-10-6 is miniscule.

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10-10-6 is by FAR the best format for a pro. The deeper the tournament goes the more short handed you want it to be, since most of the players remaining will be of higher caliber skill.

If you go 6-10-10, the final 2 tables are going to contain a lot stronger opponents on average, so I can see why he'd be angry about the format.

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Oh I think that the floor should have little to no right to assess a penalty, or should only give one in EXTREME circumstances. It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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Oh I think that the floor should have little to no right to assess a penalty, or should only give one in EXTREME circumstances. It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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WTF people, the guy stood up and started yelling that he wasn't playing and demanded a refund.

What are they supposed to do except give him a penalty to give him time to cool down, and get him out of the room so play can continue?

Get a grip, the guy was being an a-hole and got what he deserved.

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Oh I think that the floor should have little to no right to assess a penalty, or should only give one in EXTREME circumstances. It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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WTF people, the guy stood up and started yelling that he wasn't playing and demanded a refund.

What are they supposed to do except give him a penalty to give him time to cool down, and get him out of the room so play can continue?

Get a grip, the guy was being an a-hole and got what he deserved.

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I dont knw, give him his money so he would have left on his own accord? I read alot of posts by Harry over the last few years, I doubt we are hearing everything that got him so heated up to go out yelling.

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It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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Exactly my point, now it is more like "He is a pain in the ass, lets get him out of here!"

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It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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Exactly my point, now it is more like "He is a pain in the ass, lets get him out of here!"

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If I was trying to (enjoy my dinner)/(play in a poker tournament), and some loudmouth started complaining that he wanted a refund, I'd want him out of the (restaurant)/(venue) ASAP. THAT'S customer service.

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Oh I think that the floor should have little to no right to assess a penalty, or should only give one in EXTREME circumstances. It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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WTF people, the guy stood up and started yelling that he wasn't playing and demanded a refund.

What are they supposed to do except give him a penalty to give him time to cool down, and get him out of the room so play can continue?

Get a grip, the guy was being an a-hole and got what he deserved.

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I dont knw, give him his money so he would have left on his own accord? I read alot of posts by Harry over the last few years, I doubt we are hearing everything that got him so heated up to go out yelling.

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Riiight. Then have fun handling the riot when 30 other nits start demanding their money back also.

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i ordered a new york steak, this is a ribeye!

GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

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I think that its possible that the disgraceful way that Harrah's has handled many issues so far this year boiled over with Harry and he just went off. I dont blame him at all.

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10-6-10 would make more sense since 10% of the field gets paid.

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Right--it's approximately what they used last year with the Limit Hold'em shooutout (10-5-9). I guess Harrah's wanted to pay more people this year.

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sorry to jump OT, but do you remember the blind/starting chip structure in the limit event last year?

i read that one table was won in 45 minutes in the nlhe event. it makes me worried about shootout structures.

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Oh I think that the floor should have little to no right to assess a penalty, or should only give one in EXTREME circumstances. It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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WTF people, the guy stood up and started yelling that he wasn't playing and demanded a refund.

What are they supposed to do except give him a penalty to give him time to cool down, and get him out of the room so play can continue?

Get a grip, the guy was being an a-hole and got what he deserved.

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I dont knw, give him his money so he would have left on his own accord? I read alot of posts by Harry over the last few years, I doubt we are hearing everything that got him so heated up to go out yelling.

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Riiight. Then have fun handling the riot when 30 other nits start demanding their money back also.

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Exactly! What if everybody else started raising hell like a third grader? If he had handled it like a man instead of a child, he probably wouldn't have been thrown out.

If I'm playing in a tourney and some idiot starts yelling, I want him thrown out so the rest of us can play poker.

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It's a service industry, they should treat tournament players as if they were customers in a restaurant.

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Exactly my point, now it is more like "He is a pain in the ass, lets get him out of here!"

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If I was trying to (enjoy my dinner)/(play in a poker tournament), and some loudmouth started complaining that he wanted a refund, I'd want him out of the (restaurant)/(venue) ASAP. THAT'S customer service.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. nh, sir

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Appart from Chip winning the HORSE event, WSOP 2006 has to be the worst one yet. Even worse than 2005!

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10-6-10 would make more sense since 10% of the field gets paid.

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Right--it's approximately what they used last year with the Limit Hold'em shooutout (10-5-9). I guess Harrah's wanted to pay more people this year.

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sorry to jump OT, but do you remember the blind/starting chip structure in the limit event last year?

i read that one table was won in 45 minutes in the nlhe event. it makes me worried about shootout structures.


tia

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Looking back at the 2005 $1,500 NL shootout, it started at 25-25.
One of the CP Updates mentioned that John Phan (I believe) said the table was playing as if they were on the Internet, to explain the fast pace. Also, aren't the levels at 60 minutes?

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10-6-10 would make more sense since 10% of the field gets paid.

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Right--it's approximately what they used last year with the Limit Hold'em shooutout (10-5-9). I guess Harrah's wanted to pay more people this year.

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sorry to jump OT, but do you remember the blind/starting chip structure in the limit event last year?

i read that one table was won in 45 minutes in the nlhe event. it makes me worried about shootout structures.


tia

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Looking back at the 2005 $1,500 NL shootout, it started at 25-25.
One of the CP Updates mentioned that John Phan (I believe) said the table was playing as if they were on the Internet, to explain the fast pace. Also, aren't the levels at 60 minutes?

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you are correct on both fronts.

someone just sent me this..

http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/st...t/Event36.html

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Harry's posted on the Hendon Mob with regards to his ejection with more details to follow: http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewto...sc&start=15

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Harry's posted on the Hendon Mob with regards to his ejection with more details to follow: http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewto...sc&start=15

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ROTFLMAO at this one:

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I asked for a full refund despite having more chips than I started with and despite feeling that I was better suited to a short handed game than most others and highlighted how unfair this was to the ordinary player.


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Yep, Harry was just standing up for the little guy. Please.

Cliff notes: They eventually pussed out and refunded his entry fee.

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I played some with Harry at the 2500 shorthanded. He seems like a reasonable and friendly guy most of the time though obviously can get pretty angry if he feels he's slighted or insulted in some way (I think we've all seen the footage of him and Arieh from 2004 WSOP). So that said, there's a decent chance he was acting over the top, but he probably felt he had a legitimate reason to do so, especially considering the mounting list of problems that apparently every pro is having with how this WSOP has been run.

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I don't see how Harry's complaint was legitimate at all. The rules said that 100 players would advance to the 2nd round. If they hadn't used short-handed tables, then he would have had a real complaint, since it is obvious from the rules that the number of players at each table during the 1st round, and not future rounds, would depend on the number of entries.

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I asked for a full refund despite having more chips than I started with and despite feeling that I was better suited to a short handed game than most others and highlighted how unfair this was to the ordinary player.


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You have got to be kidding me?! What a pompous ass! LOL

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I played some with Harry at the 2500 shorthanded. He seems like a reasonable and friendly guy most of the time though obviously can get pretty angry if he feels he's slighted or insulted in some way (I think we've all seen the footage of him and Arieh from 2004 WSOP). So that said, there's a decent chance he was acting over the top, but he probably felt he had a legitimate reason to do so, especially considering the mounting list of problems that apparently every pro is having with how this WSOP has been run.

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Well, of course HE felt like he had a legitimate reason, unless he's clinical. I just doubt it's the one he expressed in his post. Overall frustration at WSOP management, sure. Dismay at having to play an unexpected structure, sure. But concern for the little guy? Somehow I doubt it. Especially while he is demanding a refund in the same breath.

Did Harry Like The 2005 Format?
 

From reading the PP report it looks like they started w/780, played two rounds the first day to get to 13 left, then had the 13 play down to 10 for the FT the following day.

That's a lot more "not advertised", IMO, than what happened this year. As many have noted, the sheet clearly says that 100 return for day two. End of story.

Harry also only hurt himself, as the 6-handed format clearly favors him, given his two FT finishes in those events. The reasons he gives for his blowup seem far-fetched to me, at best.

Harry's a great player, and I've agreed w/almost evrything he's posted on the WSOP's growing pains the last couple years. But it looks to me like he simply was spoiling for a fight here over anything, and lost his mind temporarily.

He was very lucky to get his buyin back, which leads me to hope that Harrah's will be willing to acknowledge they have a lot of work to do once this year's WSOP ends.

Based on what we know right now, hard to see where HET did anything wrong(for once).

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I asked for a full refund despite having more chips than I started with and despite feeling that I was better suited to a short handed game than most others and highlighted how unfair this was to the ordinary player.

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I wanted to side with Harry when I heard about this, I really did. Especially after Cardplayer's amazing disappearing post.

I just can't believe how he's forcing me to side with Harrah's.

I can appreciate how he or anyone else might not want to have a change in table size as drastic as six to ten, and that a structure like 8-8-9 or 8-9-9 would be much more even. However, he had a chance to get a look at the structure on the WSOP website, as did everyone else. Anyone who didn't like it didn't have to enter the tournament.

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"I'm on my way down there right now and I might get thrown out also. Seriously. I decided to skip the first two levels and get some sleep figuring I'd lose close to half my stack. At a six handed table, I might be out already. This is ridiculous."

-Daniel Negreanu
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