WPT Ladies Night IV lineup guesses
 

My educated guesses for the lineup for WPT Ladies Night IV:

1. Jennifer Tilly (Winner of WPT Ladies Night III)
2. Stacy Matuson (5th place at Aruba)
3. Vanessa Rousso (7th place at WPT Championship)
4. Erica Schoenberg (16th place at WPT Championship)
5. The WSOP Ladies event winner, if she is photogenic and is not either Chinese or Vietnamese
6. The winner of $125 buy-in event at the Bike on August 16

J.J. Liu, who finished 4th at the Bellagio 5 Diamonds during WPT Season IV, has NOT been contacted by the WPT regarding Ladies Night IV as of June 29.

Both Liu, who is Taiwanese (Taiwan Chinese), and her fiance Dan Alspach, are NOT happy that Liu is apparently being excluded from WPT Ladies Night IV for "business reasons".

Liu and Alspach both understand that Liu's apparent exclusion may have to do with real money online poker being explicitly outlawed in China.

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Jean Gluck?

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I second that.

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Liu and Alspach both understand that Liu's apparent exclusion may have to do with real money online poker being explicily outlawed in China.

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they don't really believe that's the reason JJ isn't being invited, do they? talk about rose-colored glasses ...

we all know she's not being invited because she isn't as young/attractive/famous as the rest of the probable invitees.

btw, i think you're dead-on with the line-up ...

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Wouldn't they want to invite at least one player who is remotely well-known besides Tilly?

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Is Jenn Harman not on the tour or something? Why isn't she invited?

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Is Jenn Harman not on the tour or something? Why isn't she invited?

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Was in the first WPT Ladies Night.
WPT would not chose her, or anyone else who played in a previous WPT Ladies Night, besides the last winner.

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ahemm... Liz Lieu???

I also have to throw Shirley Rosario in the mix. Attractive, blond, very good NL tourney player.

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ahemm... Liz Lieu???

I also have to throw Shirley Rosario in the mix. Attractive, blond, very good NL tourney player.

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Neither Liz Lieu nor Shirley "Poker Babe" Rosario have won a WSOP bracelet or placed deep into the money at any WPT event within the past 15 months.

Remember that WPTE is trying to build an vertically-intergrated "alternative" poker universe, with its own "World Champion" that no one else in the poker world recognizes, its own online poker room, its own poker magazine, and its own poker news website.

Based strictly on results alone, J.J. Liu would have gotten the Ladies Night IV slot instead of Erica Schoenberg.

However, Erica Schoenberg's slot in WPT Ladies Night IV is pretty much guaranteed, while J.J. Liu will probably end up being the odd woman out, because the wptonline.com online poker room business is not allowed to legally operate in China, Hong Kong, or Macau (and possibly Taiwan as well).

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we all know she's not being invited because she isn't as young/attractive/famous as the rest of the probable invitees.

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There's been at least one at each: Maureen Feduniak, Wendeen Eolis, Marsha Waggoner. None of which ever made a WPT final table.

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Feduniak made the final table of the WPT Party Poker Cruise in season 1.

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This is the kind of crap that really bothers me. If you are going to award seats to invitational free-rolls based on performance, than so be it. JJ has done better than any other female on the WPT, but yet she gets no chance. These are the same people that pump up "attractive, young, marketable" females, like Anna Kournikova, Eveylyn NG, etc etc
Based on merits alone, I think that Jen Harman is the only female on tour that would garner any sort of support if she was male...
Not to mention, poker is one of those sports where there should be no gender bias. I have never understood why in games like, pool, poker etc etc there has to be a distinction between women's events and the open events.

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I can understand at the lower levels, and introductory stages of poker development, this can be helpful, but once a female has reached the "pro" level, or acheived sponsorship, she should be forced to play only in the open events...

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What about Susan Kim that placed 5th in the WPT Bay 101 Shooting Stars FT in Season 2?

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What about Susan Kim that placed 5th in the WPT Bay 101 Shooting Stars FT in Season 2?

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Susan Kim, a Korean with a Harvard MBA, allegedly turned down Steve Lipscomb's invitation to appear on WPT Ladies Night II.

Note that WPT started airing on Badook TV in South Korea in late 2004.

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The WSOP is currently NOT being aired in South Korea because News Corporation (NewsCorp, the corporate parent of FOX), not Disney/ESPN, is managing the ESPN brand in South Korea via Singapore-based ESPN Star Sports (ESS) joint venture that was established in 1996.

NewsCorp purged all ESPN personnel from ESS in 1997.

ESS partners with Korean broadcaster Munhwa Broadcasting Corporation (MBC) to operate the Korean-language sports channel MBC-ESPN.

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It'll be interesting to see what ESPN and Harrah's will have to do in order to convince NewsCorp to allow the WSOP to air on MBC-ESPN in South Korea, ESPN Philippines, and eventually ESPN China (already has over 60 million Chinese household subscribers even though the channel is less than 2 years old.)

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we all know she's not being invited because she isn't as young/attractive/famous as the rest of the probable invitees.

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There's been at least one at each: Maureen Feduniak, Wendeen Eolis, Marsha Waggoner. None of which ever made a WPT final table.

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Wendeen Eolis is a well-connected political consultant based in New York. She was also the first woman to cash at the WSOP main event. She also won an major event at the Isle of Man several years ago.

Maureen "London Mo" Feduniak made the final table of the Party Poker Million II cruise during WPT Season 1.

Marsha Waggoner finished 2nd at the Bay 101 PPT Season 1 event March 2005.

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I am willing to give Steve Lipscomb the benefit of the doubt and wait until the 2006 WSOP Ladies Event bracelet winner is crowned on July 10 before re-visiting the J.J. Liu situation.

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I can confirm that J.J. Liu and Erica Schoenberg were OFFICIALLY INVITED to WPT Ladies Night IV by WPT Players Relations Manager Kat Kowal, at approximately 2:20pm on Friday June 30.

I was seated to the right of Schoenberg at WSOP Table 138 when Schoenberg got the call from Kowal.

Liu came by a few minutes later and told me that she received her invitation from Kowal. Liu is now working to get a logo sponsorship deal for WPT Ladies Night IV.

I will still need to confirm the Rousso and Matuson invitations, but I am 99+% certain that they have been invited to WPT Ladies Night IV.

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I also have to throw Shirley Rosario in the mix. Attractive, blond, very good NL tourney player.

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Shirley is secretly one of the most attractive women in poker.

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1) Kate Hudson
2) Ashley Judd

mike
TheRailbirds

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What about that Lacey chick...
http://www.laceysaces.com/

or that lynette girl...
or even jennicide?

how does JJ Liu being Chinese hold her back Oliver?

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Oliver has found out who the 4 invited members of WPT Ladies Night 4, and he went 3 for 4. The article can be found here.

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From Oliver's article -

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Stacy Matuson, who finished 5th at the 2005 Aruba Classic and earned $100,000, was edged out by Schoenberg for the final at-large invitation by $17,000.

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You tell me what being edged out by $17,000 had to do with who was invited. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Stacey - final TV table.

http://www.pokerpages.com/players/im...x250/53733.jpg

Erica - Drop dead gorgeous

http://www.pokerpages.com/players/im...x250/74341.jpg

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wow- thats mean buddy -lol- is poker about who you think is gorgeous or about skill? I guess when guys are watching women, they don't care about that huh?lol good luck at the tables- stacy matuson