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EMc 06-16-2006 01:09 PM

C/T post: Tips for multitabling
 
Tips for Multitabling

One of the best parts of online poker is the ability to play pretty much as many tables as you can play at any given time. For some players, that’s only 2 tables, for some maniacs, its <10. Anyone who has yet to multitable, I highly suggest doing it. It is a rewarding experience and can make your winrate skyrocket. Here are some tips that I have learned through the years about multitabling, which probably are general metagame tips as well.

THE PREGAME

Your physical area - In order to play effectively, first make sure that your surrounding physical area is in good condition.

• Keeping it clean is almost a must, as it will distract many. A mess on the floor, some cups next to the comp can provide a major distraction, one you cant afford.
• Chair - Get yourself a comfortable chair. Not too comfortable as to you will fall asleep, but not uncomfortable so that you it’s a distraction.
• Computer- The heart and soul of your operation.
o Mouse- a good, dependable ergonomic mouse helps a lot
o Monitor- I was never one to believe that a nice monitor made a difference, until I got one. A 20.1 LCD with 1600 x 1200 resolution is your best bet, so probably get either a Samsung 204B/T, or a Dell 2001 or 2007. Prefereably more than one
o Internet- Make sure that your high speed modem is in no danger of a hardware disconnection
o Headphones- Get a nice pair, one that will cancel out most background noise. SONY makes a nice pair for about 50, sold at major electronics chains.
• Other- I like to bring in a bottle to my office before I play, maybe more than one if its gonna be a long session. Also too, a chair of stool to put your feet on is nice. I have a padded armpad to rest my elbow on, and it makes a difference. I also have small post it notes around to remind myself of little things, such as “Don’t do stupid things, don’t bluff call stations, etc.” Also, I keep an outs chart around, just incase I ever forgot. Its also a good thing to have so you can memorize for B/M play.

More Computer - While we outlined what to set up in terms of the physical area, lets talk about the computer itself.
• Software- The first thing I do when Im getting ready to play is open up the required software
o Pokertracker- Get the auto import for your site rocking.
o PokerAce HUD- MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THIS. With multitabling it helps a lot more than you think. Open it up.
o iTunes (or other media player)- Make yourself a playlist, so you aren’t messing around with it during the games. Pick music that wont distract you, and will help you concentrate. Classical works, as does showtunes, or other weird music.
• Also too, close the following software
o AIM- Distraction city
o IE- 2p2 is fun, but not while playing
• As a general PSA, also make sure of the following
o Your AV is working and updated, and run regularly
o You have a copy of Microsoft defender, Spybot, Ad- aware, and crap cleaner. Run them about once a week. Being hijacked will dent your BR worse than you can imagine.
• Table Selection- If your site allows datamining, DATAMINE!. Open up the max tables, and then after about 10 mins, see which look the juiciest. I always look for the ones with the highest VPIP and lowest PFR, or if there appears to be a megafish. Sit or get on the list

THE GAME
So you are ready and set up. Here are some general pointers.
• Pay attention.
• If you find yourself timing out, drop a table.
• Don’t think just because you are playing more tables its ok to pass up EV. Don’t forget about stealing and LP raises. They are still important.
• TAKE NOTES.
• Try to minimize overlap
• Keep all distractions out
• When you find yourself playing sub optimally, take a break. It will help.
• Play good


POST GAME
Afterwards, analyze your session. Look for dumb bets, and messed bets. Make sure that adding the tables has helped you and not hurt you. If you find that you are doing well, but feel bored, try adding more tables. But only if it will help your win rate.


Best of luck to all

EMcWilliams

AZplaya 06-16-2006 01:18 PM

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Great post Ed.

Sh@i'tan 06-16-2006 01:28 PM

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Very good post, as i'm starting to MT now some very useful tips in there.

gd_river 06-16-2006 01:37 PM

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this is very off topic, but what kind of job do you have that allows you to play at the office?

mosuavea 06-16-2006 01:39 PM

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this is very off topic, but what kind of job do you have that allows you to play at the office?

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Pretty sure he means office as in office room in his house where his computer is, but I could be wrong.

AZplaya 06-16-2006 01:42 PM

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gd_river is your boss, don't answer, and delete cookies/history/anything that links you to 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Freerollin` 06-16-2006 01:43 PM

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this is very off topic, but what kind of job do you have that allows you to play at the office?

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LOL

4_2_it 06-16-2006 01:45 PM

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E,

VNH sir! What show tunes are you listening to? Oklahoma, Carousel or Fiddler on the Roof? I think I am missing something important.

BTW - I have the B-way versions of Les Miserables, How to Succeed in Business Without Trying, Guys and Dolls and Tommy. Highly recommend Guys and Dolls if you do not already own it.

Curiously,

Frank

CappyAA 06-16-2006 01:48 PM

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Yeah I was wondering what music you were listening to. Personally, I like more modern stuff, but you're right...the harder rock and rap and stuff can be a bit too upbeat. My favorite current music to play to is the Garden State Soundtrack. Nirvana Unplugged is also an all time favorite. Really I just love the music I can be enjoying while playing without distracting me.



Curiously,
Doug


PS - Where'd Joe go?

CappyAA 06-16-2006 01:48 PM

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Oh, forgot to say great post EMC! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mosuavea 06-16-2006 01:52 PM

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PS - Where'd Joe go?

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Obviously to turn in his effin man card.

mosuavea 06-16-2006 01:55 PM

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Excellent post E,

I couldnt agree more with anything computer related and being comfortable.

I would also add that things in your personal life (ie stress, lack of sleep, diet, etc) will effect your play if not taken into consideration. I try to avoid playing if I had a rough day or I just dont feel it. I guess thats a luxury people who dont play full time for a living have.

ChipStorm 06-16-2006 01:57 PM

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Nice post, E. After <2yrs online, for me multitabling is the only way to play. Gonna order that 2007FP reeeeeal soon.

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What show tunes are you listening to? Oklahoma, Carousel or Fiddler on the Roof? I think I am missing something important.

BTW - I have the B-way versions of Les Miserables, How to Succeed in Business Without Trying, Guys and Dolls and Tommy. Highly recommend Guys and Dolls if you do already own it.

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Personally, I like more modern stuff, but you're right...the harder rock and rap and stuff can be a bit too upbeat. My favorite current music to play to is the Garden State Soundtrack. Nirvana Unplugged is also an all time favorite. Really I just love the music I can be enjoying while playing without distracting me.

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As a husband and father, all I can say is, try silence sometime. It is absolutely delicious.

ajmargarine 06-16-2006 01:57 PM

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nh Ed.

(Take out the reference to showtunes and you get a vnh)

Slap My Jack 06-16-2006 02:01 PM

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ETC.

Mini-post-its. I keep track of my table images with these. If I do something donky or make a move of some sort, I make a quick note of it and put it on the monitor next to the table.

Dial-up modem, with a free provider if possible. More necessary for tournament play when your broadband goes out.

Pee bottle. More necessary for tournament play. Empty Gatorade bottles work well. It sucks being at a final table and having to take a leak.

Compact your datases at least once a week, and defrag your HD at least once a week. I do it 2-3 times, usually, dpeneds on how many hands I'm getting in.

directscooter 06-16-2006 02:06 PM

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Excellent post, I have been 4-5 tabling and still feel like I have been missing out on more.
Buying a new computer when I move at the end of July and just gonna throw in the few extra dollars to get another 20 incher so I can try up to 8 with no over lap.

I started calculating the other day on how much more rb that would be, and it seems almost silly not to if I can mentally handle it.

One thing you left out that is a must for all mutli tablers... get rakeback!!!!
Another suggestion would be wearing Depends, BR breaks are -ev. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

Dan Bitel 06-16-2006 02:07 PM

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My favorite current music to play to is the Garden State Soundtrack.

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this is correct.

oh yeah, nh ed

CappyAA 06-16-2006 02:10 PM

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Pee bottle. More necessary for tournament play. Empty Gatorade bottles work well. It sucks being at a final table and having to take a leak.


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You're kidding, right? You can't just get up and pee in a 20 second span? I thought Ed said something about distractions. There's nothing more distracting to me than a bottle full of my own piss sitting next to me.

4_2_it 06-16-2006 02:11 PM

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Cappy,

Other good CDs include Sting's Nothing Like the Sun, Crash Test Dummies' Ghosts That Haunt Me (God Shuffled His Feet isn't bad either) and Beck's Sea Change (maybe the best of the bunch).

Loading my new iPod 30G video courtesy of Pokerstars,

4_2

Freerollin` 06-16-2006 02:17 PM

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ETC.

Pee bottle. More necessary for tournament play. Empty Gatorade bottles work well. It sucks being at a final table and having to take a leak.

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***You are now ignoring this user***

Sorry, dude. We not cool.

4_2_it 06-16-2006 02:20 PM

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There's nothing more distracting to me than a bottle full of my own piss sitting next to me.

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What if Andrew Karpinski was sitting next to you?

quarkncover 06-16-2006 02:21 PM

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] showtunes, particularly Gilbert and Sullivan!

BTW nice post Ed.

WRT software, I'm surprised no one has mentioned MTH (Multi-Table Helper) a must for those multitabling at party.

CappyAA 06-16-2006 02:21 PM

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There's nothing more distracting to me than a bottle full of my own piss sitting next to me.

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What if Andrew Karpinski was sitting next to you?

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Touche salesman. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ChipStorm 06-16-2006 02:23 PM

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Pee bottle. More necessary for tournament play. Empty Gatorade bottles work well. It sucks being at a final table and having to take a leak.

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If you ever try it at a B&M game, I'm throwing the flag.

Lafortezza 06-16-2006 02:24 PM

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I normally 6-table, do people open their tables, take their seats and then 'sit out' until they have all tables opened and ready to go?

Ratamahatta 06-16-2006 02:25 PM

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Nice post. I strugle a lot with multitabling and not playing -ev game at the same time. I can comfortably play 12 tables of full ring but only 2 6max. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Edit: And Samsung 204B is next thing I'm going to buy. It's very cheep! Only $600! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Fallen Hero 06-16-2006 02:32 PM

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I normally 6-table, do people open their tables, take their seats and then 'sit out' until they have all tables opened and ready to go?

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usually if I just wait for the blinds I'll have all the tables opened by the time I'm posting in 3/4 tables.

One thing I find really helps me when multitabling is to look for big pots in the little chat box thingy and check the hh in those pots (and obviously take notes on the players involved).

EMc 06-16-2006 02:34 PM

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Frank,

Im more of an opera guy, I just used showtunes as a suggestion. I like opera a lot better. [/end class]

Currently, I am honestly listening to wrestling entrance theme music. I have weird tastes when I comes to listening. Im a big alt rock fan, but sometimes I will listen to top 40. Kinda just whatever im feelign will help me. I find that listening too odd stuff just helps me. 2 weeks ago I was listening to Disney tunes. Sometimes its songs from TV shows.

Quark,

I dont like MTH, so I didnt mention it, but some like it.

About the office thing,

I pretty much hate my job, but I got it through a contact and as such need to stick with it. However, they gave me a computer that has no monitoring software, so im on 2p2 and AIM a lot, and might start playing soon. Since I am the computer operator, I have a lot of leeway in terms of stuff like this. I use AIM a lot for professional reasons, and Im sure 2p2 will come in use occusionally. But as for the office I mentioned, I meant where it is you play.

ajmargarine 06-16-2006 02:34 PM

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I normally 6-table, do people open their tables, take their seats and then 'sit out' until they have all tables opened and ready to go?

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I might skip the first orbit on the first two-three tables I open to give me time to get the rest open.

jakerc 06-16-2006 02:36 PM

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great post EMc. as someone who has never multi-tabled in earnest before, reading this post has convinced me to try 2-tabling today.

EMc 06-16-2006 02:37 PM

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Nice post. I strugle a lot with multitabling and not playing -ev game at the same time. I can comfortably play 12 tables of full ring but only 2 6max. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Edit: And Samsung 204B is next thing I'm going to buy. It's very cheep! Only $600! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You are getting ripped off.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001226

ajmargarine 06-16-2006 02:40 PM

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great post EMc. as someone who has never multi-tabled in earnest before, reading this post has convinced me to try 2-tabling today.

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Nice. Ed didn't mention it in the OP, but add tables one at a time. Don't go crazy all at once.

CappyAA 06-16-2006 02:44 PM

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Nice post. I strugle a lot with multitabling and not playing -ev game at the same time. I can comfortably play 12 tables of full ring but only 2 6max. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Edit: And Samsung 204B is next thing I'm going to buy. It's very cheep! Only $600! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You are getting ripped off.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001226

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Huge Ripoff for $600 - I got the Dell 2001 FP for about $380 after taxes using a couple coupons and I love it for multitabling. I can fit 4 tables at any site with no overlap and I can sit 6 tables at Full Tilt and see all my cards at all tables.

I can't comment on the Samsung monitor, but I imagine it's the same thing pretty much since it's the same resolution.

EMc 06-16-2006 02:47 PM

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I just got the Samsung, and love it. I will be gettign a 2nd one soon.

Dan Bitel 06-16-2006 04:04 PM

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] showtunes, particularly Gilbert and Sullivan!

BTW nice post Ed.

WRT software, I'm surprised no one has mentioned MTH (Multi-Table Helper) a must for those multitabling at party.

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what does MTH do?

ChipStorm 06-16-2006 04:08 PM

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] showtunes, particularly Gilbert and Sullivan!

BTW nice post Ed.

WRT software, I'm surprised no one has mentioned MTH (Multi-Table Helper) a must for those multitabling at party.

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what does MTH do?

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Works with Windows voice recognition software, so you can talk your way through the tables instead of clicking. Voice training can be a little rocky though. People occasionally post hands where they told the software "Fold" and it pushed instead.

4_2_it 06-16-2006 04:11 PM

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People occasionally post hands where they told the software "Fold" and it pushed instead.

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Holy BBV, Batman!

Stealthy 06-16-2006 04:30 PM

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Great post as it saves me having to make a long one myself now as I can just hijack this one! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I am ordering a new PC from Dell on Saturday as mine is rubbish. I have an 1800 megahertz AMD Athlon XP processor. 512MB of memory with an 80 gig HD which never gets even half full. I am also lumbered with a monitor that offers a wopping 1280 X 1024 resolution. This means that I multitable 4 tables with tons of overlap as on the 1280 X 1024 setting the picture is so bad I can barely read it, so I actually use a resolution of 1152 X 864! Overlap is an understatement!

Also the PC really drags when I have 12 Party tables open (I keep a lot open cause I junp around tables a lot), PT and GameTime running. It takes ages to import the hands and lags a lot when doing so. Party closed down some graphics automatically this week cause of low memory! This has become so bad this week as it gets worse the longer I am online and after 2 hours of Poker the game becomes unplayable if I try to keep PT running! Very -EV.

So to my question is this new PC enough to allow great mutitabling with no lag?

I am now buying an Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820 with DualCore Technology (2.80GHz,800MHz fsb,2x1MB cache) which I assume will be a big improvement processor wise.

Question 1 - my memory will be 1024MB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz (2x512). Is this enough or do I need 2048MB. I know bigger memory is better but do I need it?

Question 2 - I am buying the Dell 20" UltraSharp™ Wide Aspect Flat Panel with Height Adj Stand (2007WFP) with 1680 X 1050 resolution. 2007WFP How many Party tables will fit with no overlaps on a monitor with these specs?

Question 3 - I am just using the Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 that come with the machine. Am I right to assume that id I am just playing poker I will not need any better as the good monitor is the important thing.

Sorry for the hijack Ed but you offered too good an opportunity.

Sh@i'tan 06-16-2006 04:37 PM

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Pee bottle. More necessary for tournament play. Empty Gatorade bottles work well. It sucks being at a final table and having to take a leak.


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You're kidding, right? You can't just get up and pee in a 20 second span? I thought Ed said something about distractions. There's nothing more distracting to me than a bottle full of my own piss sitting next to me.

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I can't. My room is in the basement and the nearest bathroom is at least a 20 second run. I don't find it distracting.

4_2_it 06-16-2006 04:40 PM

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Stealthy,

Check out the Internet forum, but I think the general consensus was that the Dell FP 2001 is superior to the FP 2007. You might still be able to get a 2001 cheap on Amazon or somewhere. I have the FP 2001 and it rocks.

I'm no techie, so maybe someone else can expand more on this.


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