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dtam61 01-17-2006 05:03 AM

FT - AQ in the big blind
 
6th hand final table. no read on villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t161392)
Hero (t126322)
UTG (t135384)
UTG+1 (t406578)
MP1 (t172152)
MP2 (t130214)
MP3 (t99693)
CO (t233061)
Button (t147704)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t40000</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??</font>


thanks

nath 01-17-2006 05:18 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
Probably I ship it. I don't give much credence to minraises, and you're pretty damn short compared to the blinds.

dtam61 01-17-2006 05:20 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
sorry

ship it = push?

Bernas 01-17-2006 09:47 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
I'm coming over the top all in here 90 % of the time. If I had 140K in chips then a stop n go would be effective too.
Highly doubt I am laying this hand down here.

Sam T. 01-17-2006 09:53 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
Pushing is good. Stop &amp; Go is also good. I think I like the latter better, but would probably get so excited to see an ace-face at the FT, I'd push.

whynot? 01-17-2006 11:33 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
so this feels like a low to mid pair, AT-AQ (maybe AK), KQs. of those youre coin flipping most and dominating the others except ak. to me a stop and go works if you have the balls to push anything on the flop. if not i push now

rockin 01-17-2006 11:33 AM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
push it real good

ErnieSIrwin 01-17-2006 12:09 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
Well, I definitely wouldn't be folding AQ to a minraise, especially when I know it'll be heads up if I call.

-Ernie S. Irwin

dtam61 01-17-2006 06:43 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
this being the sixth hand. should we observe the table a little? err on the side of caution. i know m &lt;5, but so is half the table. what information can you get from a mini raise?

wouldn't it be better play to wait for position and push with any two?

Ansky 01-17-2006 06:52 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
No this is a very easy push. You are way ahead of both his opening and calling range. Folding this is playing scared.

Also to the guy who siad stop and go... this is an awful spot for a stop and go. You will rarely ever get a pair to fold on the flop given the stack sizes. You want to get it all in and see 5 cards.

dtam61 01-17-2006 06:57 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
calling is out of the question?

what is the range?

&lt;&lt; You will rarely ever get a pair to fold on the flop given the stack sizes. &gt;&gt;

he is pot commited with his miniraise? i don;t think he wanted to be pot commited.

Ansky 01-17-2006 07:05 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
Yes calling is out of the question. You have 6 bbs and a very good hand that wants to see a showdown. Also think about what happens if you call and then fold the flop. You basically give him all the chance he has to outplay you post flop with position and the position of strength in the hand. You really have no room to be cold calling raises here.

His range is very player dependant although against an unknown, it could be as wide as A8o+ A2s+, KTo+, K9s+, QTs+, all pairs... etc.

geestyle 01-17-2006 07:12 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
ALL-IN!! You make him post the question 'I min raise with (marginal hand of your choice) and the BB puts me all-in? HELP!'

dtam61 01-17-2006 07:13 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
i edited my earlier response to u. not sure if you have read it.

&lt;&lt;You will rarely ever get a pair to fold on the flop given the stack sizes. &gt;&gt;

he mini raised, i don;t think he wants to be pot commited.
if the flop was akx, why wouldn't he fold?

Ansky 01-17-2006 07:18 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
If thats the flop, you don't want him to fold. The point of a stop and go is to fold out better hands on the flop that woudlnt fold preflop. Even if villain has 22, there are hardly any flops which he would fold to a stop and go. What I am saying is that on the flop with ace high, if you push, worse hands fold and better ones call.

dtam61 01-17-2006 07:18 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
probablities of monster/ marginal - 20%/80% ????

dtam61 01-17-2006 07:22 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
thanks, that makes sense.

can you give me scenario when a stop n go should be used?

Ansky 01-17-2006 07:22 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
Something like that, although probably closer to 10/90.

01-17-2006 07:26 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
With only 6xBB I don't think you can afford to fold this, even if you sense you might be beat (which I don't think you are). I think MP1's range is well wide enough for you to proftably push here.

geestyle 01-17-2006 07:39 PM

Re: FT - AQ in the big blind
 
There's a small chance of a monster... But this isn't the time for tame play. I'd make the push though here for 2 reasons 1) try and win the pot either taking it down or seeing 5 cards, and 2)push my image at the table. I like a gamble though, and in this case if you pull it off, you can be pretty sure anyone betting into you will only do it with strong hands if you've been generally solid - well for a round or 2 at least ;-)


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