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Gregatron 01-15-2006 06:30 PM

Show your HUD
 
I have made similar posts on the micro forum before, where we share ideas and compare our layouts. I thought I might try it on this forum as well. Doing this before has provided me with a lot of ideas, and allowed me to share what I think are some good ideas with other players. It has been benficial all the way around.

Here is that you do. Post a screen shot of your HUD and briefly explain it. Seperately (or alternately), discuss what stats you find most helpful, and comment on the HUD layouts of others.


Okay, here is my HUD layout for PS full:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psfull1-06.jpg


Unlike most others, I color code my statisitics, leaving them all one color. I don't need the color green to tell me that a vpip of 56.2 is very loose. So instead I allow each color to represent one stat.
Here is what each color means:
<font color="green">Vpip
<font color="red">Preflop raise
<font color="blue">Cold call preflop %
<font color="orange">Aggression (top flop, middle turn, bottom river)
<font color="yellow">WtSD</font></font></font></font></font></font></font>
Number of hands in white

A few thoughts for discussion purposes:

I find including CC preflop to be pretty valuable.

I know a lot of people have won$SD, but I wonder if this capture short term luck more than anything of analytical value.

I tried fold to bet by street (similar to how I have aggression by street), but did not find it that useful.

One thing I have been considering is replacing aggression factor with aggression frequency. Anyone have any feedback on this?

threeonefour 01-15-2006 07:01 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
i really like your layout, i think i might adapt that for 6max at party (what i play mostly).i agree with you on won $ at showdown, its takes A LOT of hands before this stat converges to anything meaningful. my won$showdown goes sub 50 for multiples thousands of hands. My VPIP and PFR and agg don't jump close to that much.

EDIT TO ADD: attempt to steal is one stat i really like and it doesn't seem you use it. it is more relevant at 6max of course

nuts 01-15-2006 07:08 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
I have made similar posts on the micro forum before, where we share ideas and compare our layouts. I thought I might try it on this forum as well. Doing this before has provided me with a lot of ideas, and allowed me to share what I think are some good ideas with other players. It has been benficial all the way around.

Here is that you do. Post a screen shot of your HUD and briefly explain it. Seperately (or alternately), discuss what stats you find most helpful, and comment on the HUD layouts of others.


Okay, here is my HUD layout for PS full:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psfull1-06.jpg


Unlike most others, I color code my statisitics, leaving them all one color. I don't need the color green to tell me that a vpip of 56.2 is very loose. So instead I allow each color to represent one stat.
Here is what each color means:
<font color="green">Vpip
<font color="red">Preflop raise
<font color="blue">Cold call preflop %
<font color="orange">Aggression (top flop, middle turn, bottom river)
<font color="yellow">WtSD</font></font></font></font></font></font></font>
Number of hands in white

A few thoughts for discussion purposes:

I find including CC preflop to be pretty valuable.

I know a lot of people have won$SD, but I wonder if this capture short term luck more than anything of analytical value.

I tried fold to bet by street (similar to how I have aggression by street), but did not find it that useful.

One thing I have been considering is replacing aggression factor with aggression frequency. Anyone have any feedback on this?

[/ QUOTE ]

that's a great layout. I'm going to use that myself I think.

WalkAmongUs 01-15-2006 08:28 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
I use the black Party layout found here and so far i'm lovin it. Made a few minor adjustments and I'm good to go.

mackem 01-15-2006 09:33 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
http://pokeracesoftware.com/hud/layo...out_mackem.jpg

Same stats as yours but with Total Agg to make it a group of 4 numbers under Hands, VPIP, PFR. There's a Went to showdown &amp; Won at showdown. The number next to the chip counts is profit if playing a cash game.

My stats are at the bottom right.

The last showdown is on the screen and the mucked hands are displayed on the table rather than over the players names.

It's in the Layouts section of Pokerace's website.

SamIAm 01-16-2006 12:11 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
http://www.math.gatech.edu/~samiam/P...ayout_shot.gif

I _do_ use color coding. The location tells me what stat is what; color isn't necessary for that. I like to be able to glance at a stat and quickly get an impression of the player. I use red, yellow, green, blue as a spectrum from tight-aggressive to loose-passive. (I've color-coded the aggression numbers since I took that shot.)

The categories are labeled around the middle, but I don't need the key much anymore. It's still more useful that putting one of those "outs" charts, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Since taking this shot, I've also added my own stats for the session at the bottom right. Again, not that useful, but better than wasting space.

If you're interested in the graphics mod(s) or the layout, let me know. I did 6max, too.
-Sam

SamIAm 01-16-2006 12:14 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
I use the black Party layout found here and so far i'm lovin it. Made a few minor adjustments and I'm good to go.

[/ QUOTE ]HA! I didn't follow your link before I posted. I didn't realize you were talking about my layout. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Glad you like it.

[ QUOTE ]
I tried fold to bet by street (similar to how I have aggression by street), but did not find it that useful.

One thing I have been considering is replacing aggression factor with aggression frequency. Anyone have any feedback on this?

[/ QUOTE ]Gregatron, you should check-out that thread WalkAmong linked to. (Isn't proficiency in Search a prereq for getting your name in green?) There's some discussion of a few of your points there.

My "fold on &lt;street&gt;" numbers are really, really useful in 6max. Really really.
-Sam

poincaraux 01-16-2006 01:36 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
The 6-max setup doesn't seem to be on your site. Can you email it to me or put it up somewhere for download?

Thanks for the layout. I like it a lot.

-poincaraux

waffle 01-16-2006 03:16 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/1323/pahud0go.png

veganmav 01-16-2006 12:00 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]

The last showdown is on the screen and the mucked hands are displayed on the table rather than over the players names.



[/ QUOTE ]

How do you get the last hand to be displayed?

mackem 01-16-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

The last showdown is on the screen and the mucked hands are displayed on the table rather than over the players names.



[/ QUOTE ]

How do you get the last hand to be displayed?

[/ QUOTE ]

Layout manager. Showdown Information. Make them visible and position them where you want them.

theRealMacoy 01-17-2006 02:11 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Hey guys,

My HUD is rather different than most of the ones i have seen (see below).

I like to have the numbers as big as i can possibly get them (limited by space of course). I find it is much easier on my eyes if i am playing a long session.

Also, i play on a 17" flatscreen crt monitor set to 1920X1200 resolution (thus things are somewhat small but i can fit 4+ tables without overlap). This resolution setting is also why i like the larger stats.

Finally, I generally play 5-10 tables at a time.

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http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...coy/layout.jpg

I am a very visual person and i have have colour-coded my displays so i can quickly get a sense of the player.

Also the colour coding brings my attention to particularly bad aspects of opponent's play (e.g., highlighting players with very high wtsd numbers in light blue).

I find the icons unnecessary these days with all these stats and colour coding at my disposal.

This is my basic colour coding scheme:
<font color="#00FFFF"> light blue </font>=very good for me (very bad play...eg. vp$p&gt;42 , w$sd&lt;22 , ... )
<font color="green"> green </font>.......=good for me (bad play)
<font color="#FF8C00"> orange </font>....=medium strength play
<font color="red"> red </font>...........=heads up be wary (#hands on player&lt;50 , prf%&gt;9 , ...)

I also use <font color="yellow"> yellow </font> for "weaker" plays such as calling pf bets and fold to bb steal.

The following are the stats i use (grouped):

I have grouped the standard three stats together and display them in the largest point-type. All three stats are each colour coded with a range of colours (listed above).

Vol put in pot% - Largest font (22pt)
Pfr% ------------ Large font (16pt)
Total agression - Large font (16pt)

---all other stats except these three are 13pt---

The following are layed out in pairs and each appear as one specific colour unless they are exceptionally high/low and then are displayed in another (<font color="#00FFFF">highlight</font>/ <font color="red">warning</font>) colour:

-Aggression frequ-(by street)- <font color="pink"> FLOP </font> - <font color="#CC00FF"> TURN </font> - <font color="purple"> RIVER </font>
-Fold to bet-(by street)------ <font color="pink"> FLOP </font> - <font color="#CC00FF"> TURN </font> - <font color="purple"> RIVER </font> --- but <font color="#00FFFF"> if &gt;65 </font> and <font color="green"> if &lt;40 </font>

(the above purples change from lightest on the flop to darkest on the river)

went to showdown % - <font color="green"> if&lt;20 </font> but <font color="#00FFFF"> if&gt;50 </font>
won at showdown% - <font color="#00FFFF"> if&lt;22 </font> but <font color="green"> if 22 to 30 </font>

-attempt to steal bb
-<font color="yellow"> fold bb to steal </font>


finally, i grouped the last three together in the following order:
<font color="red"> check raise% </font>
<font color="#666666"> continuation bet flop% </font>
<font color="yellow"> call preflop raise% </font>

Last is the <font color="blue"> number of hands on a player </font> BUT shows as <font color="red"> red until &gt;50 </font>

It doesn't appear on that layout but i also display some of my own stats:

- my own number of hands played at the table
- my vp$p% and pfr% at that table (to help keep a handle on my "table image")

I hope that was at least somewhat clear.

Cheers,
sean

ps.
Some stats take a long time to converge and should be used haltingly until you have a larger number of hands....things like w$sd (or bb/100).

jmillerdls 01-17-2006 02:48 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Man, you guys are living in a different world than me...I feel simpler is better. I guess I just think that too much information would have me overthinking situations. Not to mention the fact that I can't see anything with all the different sizes and colors filling each window.

beyeond 01-17-2006 03:04 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Man, looking at that HUD makes me feel like John Nash decoding those messages in A Beautiful Mind.

veganmav 01-17-2006 04:05 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
I'm not sure that 10 to the -2 is an accurate satistic?

illunious 01-17-2006 06:16 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
This is my 6 max NL layout, still tweaking it... I like it a lot so far.

Text by the hands is # of hands
8 point verdanna is:
VPIP / WentSD
PFR / Continuation Bet

The smaller text in 3 rows is for each street: Ag Freq/Bet/Raise/Fold2B/Fold2R (For these numbers I'm mostly just using the color ranges to gauge someones play during a hand)

Like my 10 max layout on the PA site, brighter colors mean more extreme stats. Grays mean good TA stats, red means aggressive or tight, green means loose, blue means passive. So players with lots of gray and faded red like seat 5 are bad to have at the table, players with lots of bright colors, especially green (seat 2) tend to be good players to have at a table.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6maxlayout.gif

copyright07 01-17-2006 07:40 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
where you get the plain grey layout. also how do i config my PA to use those colors darkt to light

illunious 01-17-2006 07:56 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
where you get the plain grey layout. also how do i config my PA to use those colors darkt to light

[/ QUOTE ]

The PA website (and PV site) have my old 10 max layout with the table images. I did the colors manually. I have the same plain gray table for Stars, Pacific (GT+) and Prima. One day when I'm motivated I'll put them all together in a file, I still need to tweak the other sites PA layouts so stats don't get overlapped by cards/button/chips which is a pain with 20 of them.

ohead 01-17-2006 08:22 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
This is my current layout, kinda stole the OP's stats layout ;S

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7...ensored2oe.gif

illunious 01-17-2006 08:43 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Here's what Full Tilt and Poker Stars look like.

uncleshady 01-18-2006 02:44 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Waffle I want to understand yours, because it looks the most unique. Can you explain or am I dumb? Thanks

SlyGuy 01-18-2006 03:18 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
How do you get Stars to not show the little cirlces with the pictures?

illunious 01-18-2006 03:37 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
How do you get Stars to not show the little cirlces with the pictures?

[/ QUOTE ]

In the lobby, Options -&gt; Images

I kind of like them sometimes, I know if I played at Stars a lot I'd want images, but there's a good possibity I get thrown off if it's a hot chick, scary monster or baby in the pic.

theRealMacoy 01-18-2006 04:21 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
Man, you guys are living in a different world than me...I feel simpler is better. I guess I just think that too much information would have me overthinking situations. Not to mention the fact that I can't see anything with all the different sizes and colors filling each window.

[/ QUOTE ]


i hear you but mainly due to my small monitor size combined with the high resolution settings i just can't see smaller text.

i used to use a more conventional layout but i found the eye strain was noticeable with multiple tables going.

down the road, once i get a better/bigger/second monitor i will likely trim it down.

as it is i find the colour coding to be extremely useful once you get used to it. it is essentially like using the icons but instead you are looking at the numbers so your judgments are more accurate......but i guess these days with pahud i doubt that many people use the icons all that much anymore.

cheers,
sean

SamIAm 01-18-2006 10:39 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
as it is i find the colour coding to be extremely useful once you get used to it. it is essentially like using the icons but instead you are looking at the numbers so your judgments are more accurate

[/ QUOTE ]I agree. I generally don't need to know what exactly somebody VPIP is; I just need to know "Is he tight or loose?". Colors can do that at a glance. On the other hand, if I really want precise info, the numbers still there. Win win.
-Sam

ghostface 01-18-2006 02:21 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How do you get Stars to not show the little cirlces with the pictures?

[/ QUOTE ]

In the lobby, Options -&gt; Images

I kind of like them sometimes, I know if I played at Stars a lot I'd want images, but there's a good possibity I get thrown off if it's a hot chick, scary monster or baby in the pic.

[/ QUOTE ]

I just block them when I open a new table. I like the other look better.

copyright07 01-18-2006 10:02 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
what is the best HUD setup for no limit play. thanks

darkcore 01-19-2006 08:36 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
here is my layout. the stats is use are

vp$ip / pfr / total agression / #hands (above the namebox)
aggression frequency flop/turn/river (next to the namebox)
icon / fold cb (under the namebox)
wtsd / w$sd (under the namebox)

in the left corner are the tablestats and my stats for the sessions when i am seated (#hands, prf, total agg, net$won)

i just started to color-code the stats. basicly green means fine, red means not so good and white means nothing. but i have to refine it.

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

http://mitglied.lycos.de/toohardcore/layout1.bmp

SamIAm 01-19-2006 09:26 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
what is the best HUD setup for no limit play. thanks

[/ QUOTE ]No such thing. <ul type="square">[*]Decide which stats you care about.[*]Look at the above arrangements to get ideas of display styles[*]Make your own or adapt somebody else's.[/list]-Sam

jrz1972 01-31-2006 09:15 AM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
Man, you guys are living in a different world than me...I feel simpler is better. I guess I just think that too much information would have me overthinking situations. Not to mention the fact that I can't see anything with all the different sizes and colors filling each window.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm the same way. I'm in the office so I can't provide a screenshot, but basically the only stats I track are VP, PFR, CCPFR, post-flop AF, #hands, and the player icon. Everything is in plain white with no color coding.

I've tried other layouts, but they all give me a headache. I'm 33, so maybe this is a cultural difference between people my age vs. younger people who grew up playing video games.

skaughty 01-31-2006 12:55 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
I've tried other layouts, but they all give me a headache. I'm 33, so maybe this is a cultural difference between people my age vs. younger people who grew up playing video games.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm 34, grew up playing video games, and can't decide between simple and busy layouts.

Scott

Frills 01-31-2006 01:02 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Where do you get these, or how do you make them?

Need pokerroom.com skin if possible

sboudreau 01-31-2006 01:21 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Man some busy screen you got there, almost gave me a seizure. lol

SamIAm 01-31-2006 01:31 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
Where do you get these, or how do you make them?

Need pokerroom.com skin if possible

[/ QUOTE ]We were mostly talking about HUDs, the arrangement of data on the screen. Are you looking for a data arrangement, or a graphics mod?

If data, PokerAce should work just fine in PokerRoom (although I've never tried it). If these seem totally foreign to you, you probably haven't enjoyed the wonderful splendour of PokerAce.

You might have to create the layout by hand, but after looking at the above and deciding what you like, it shouldn't be too tough. (Make sure to use the "duplicate seat" feature.)
-Sam

Frills 01-31-2006 02:59 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
ty sir

I was wondering about a mod for the table...kinda wondering if I could mod the color scheme and that sort of thing...prolly getting pokerace later this week.

Grunch 01-31-2006 03:31 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Here's my HUD. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...n/plainhud.jpg

Lady Dont Tekno 01-31-2006 05:18 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
Here's my HUD. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...n/plainhud.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

nice job hiding your name! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

gilbert 01-31-2006 07:04 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Here's my HUD. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...n/plainhud.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

nice job hiding your name! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

lol. yeah, nice try rocco.

Grunch 01-31-2006 07:46 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Hahaha, that's funny.

That was like a river bluff min-raise in to weak-tighties. I'm not rocco. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Buzz-cp 01-31-2006 08:30 PM

Re: Show your HUD
 
Dude that is freaky awesome! I love the various font sizes. Also thanks to Greg for starting this thread--exactly what I needed. My HUD is pretty sorry right now.


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