Pocket Queens in Vegas
 

So I am playing live 1/2 NL holdem $200 Max buy in at the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas when I come across this hand.

I have been playing relatively tight, but getting hands and making people pay to see them. i.e. opening for 15 and raising limpers for 20 and have been getting paid off. My open for 15 had been getting about 1-2 callers as of late.

Anyway, I am on the button with QQ. I have about 8 limpers in front of me. (Pretty standard for this weak live game at the Aladdin) I raise 20 more and get one caller who was a middle position limper, this player was also relatively new to the table and I had no reads on his play.

(Total Pot: $58)

Two players to the flop and we see:

Ks 6d Kc

He checks, I bet 30, he raises to 70, I call 40 more.

(Total Pot: $198)

Turn is 4 of Diamonds. He pushes all in for 91 more.

(Total Pot: $289 and is $91 to call)

What is your line on this hand?

Re: Pocket Queens in Vegas
 

He checks I check. By betting you leave yourself open to getting outplayed or simply he has a K and you are putting money into the pot w/ a worse hand. I try to check it down and see a cheap showdown. The only place I would make a play is on the turn if he bet into me. A bet on the flop after being checked to does nothing and is so transparent it's like begging to be CR'd. I'd only do it if I had a K.

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i'm fairly torn on how to play this flop. it's definitely WA/WB. if you bet and he does that donkish minraise he *probably* has some garbage like K9. but if you check, he might bet the turn with anything.

did you have any physical tells on him? did he kind of sit back quickly and then stare away when the flop hit?

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No physical tells here. I kind of got the vibe that he knew how to play, but like I said, it was one of the first pots that he was involved in. I asked if he wanted me to call, and his response was "i dont care"

Re: Pocket Queens in Vegas
 

check the flop pleaaaaase

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Check behind on flop. If he checks the turn, then bet close to pot. If he bets the turn strong on a blank (like here), I fold without reads (here again). Don't run your pocket pair into the ground on a dangerous board facing resistance.

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Here is my opponents betting pattern I'm looking at for the entire hand:

Limp, call, check, raise, push.

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Here is my opponents betting pattern I'm looking at for the entire hand:

Limp, call, check, raise, push.

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Awesome. Summed that up nicely.

Check the flop.

Re: Pocket Queens in Vegas
 

So we check with AA too?
If we have J9 do we also check and play the turn like Tablerat suggest with QQ?

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AA and QQ are the same hand here, right?

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Yes, scratch that. How about 22-AA, do we bet any of those hands on the flop?

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Yes, scratch that. How about 22-AA, do we bet any of those hands on the flop?

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Betting the lower pairs is much better, because it's no longer a WA/WB spot, since overcards can come to beat us, and the lower the pair, the more likely it is that we fold out a better hand.

I think a bet with JJ- is necessary, and it's close with JJ.

Obviously, you should bet your airball.

Re: Pocket Queens in Vegas
 

since the board is not draw heavy, you'll probably want to put your opponent on one of the following hands.

Kx - possible, but with 2 kings on the flop, the probility of that goes down
AA - possible, but you probably would've gotten a re-raise preflop
66 - possible, given his middle position limp/call
JJ or lower pp (other than 66) - possible

of the 4 hands, 66 seems the most likely, with Kx a close 2nd. even if opponent only has 44, then he hit it on the turn. at that point, you're probably dead to only the 2 queens. should be an easy fold when he pushes on the turn.

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more pf. flop, you = definetly toasted

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fold the flop if you're going to fold the turn.

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After a long thought process at the table, and me not knowing my opponent I put him on KJ/Kx or 66 with his play. I mucked my QQ face up and he flipped up Pocket Tens. Oh well.....

Looks like best line would be to check behind on flop and raise turn.

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After a long thought process at the table, and me not knowing my opponent I put him on KJ/Kx or 66 with his play. I mucked my QQ face up and he flipped up Pocket Tens. Oh well.....

Looks like best line would be to check behind on flop and raise turn.

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Just call the turn.

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What provoked you to call the flop but fold the turn? Were you just calling to see if he shutdown? I think if you call the flop you should commit yourself, it seems like you were calling for a 2 outer and folding otherwise...

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Was basically calling to see if he shut down yes. In hindsight I shoud have called the turn bet.