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GetThere1Time 05-02-2006 06:43 AM

54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
First orbit, no reads, yay.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

River: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Edit: I was planning on c/r-ing the button autobet on the flop since people love to peel with "overs".

sharpie 05-02-2006 06:49 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
I'd bet the flop and the turn.

Nick C 05-02-2006 06:59 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
Overcalling this river seems problematic, but who knows what's going on.

Anyway, I probably would have bet the flop.

GetThere1Time 05-02-2006 07:06 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
I should have wrote this in the original post but I was planning on c/r-ing the button autobet on the flop since people love to peel with "overs". I whiff and donkarity ensues. Will edit to reflect this.

vmacosta 05-02-2006 08:02 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
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Edit: I was planning on c/r-ing the button autobet on the flop since people love to peel with "overs".

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Actually, I'd expect a flop bet to take down the pot fairly often here.

GetThere1Time 05-02-2006 08:05 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
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Edit: I was planning on c/r-ing the button autobet on the flop since people love to peel with "overs".

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Actually, I'd expect a flop bet to take down the pot fairly often here.

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I've played with plenty that peel with QJ and junk like that on the A9x board. AAx is open season. Maybe I just game select goot.

Buckmulligan 05-02-2006 09:12 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
I don't know whether I'd bet the flop, but I definitely wouldn't let both the flop and the turn go unbet.

ejay 05-02-2006 11:55 AM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
I dont mind the plan of c/r the buttons beton the flop, but after he checks you have to lead the turn.

KitanaiCALL 05-02-2006 01:27 PM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
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I'd bet the flop and the turn.

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With the way you played it you have no idea where your hand stands against your opponents and this puts you in a very uncomfortable situation being OOP.

TomBrooks 05-02-2006 02:13 PM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
Bet the flop, fold to a raise.

With three opponents, allowing a free card that can make a higher pair than yours is a disaster here.

Also, you can't expect to c/r this flop much of the time because even an autobetting button will often check AAx though.

Call the river since only one overcard to yours came and it was only a seven.

jbeckern6 05-02-2006 02:50 PM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
I can understand going for the flop c/r but I think the passivity on the turn is a big mistake. You have a big hand, 4 flush and a pair, so even if someone has an unlikely 3rd A (given no pf action, on a shorthanded table, certainly lowers probability of an A), you have lots of outs. I either lead the turn or given your line of checking the turn, I would check raise and try and get it HU

GetThere1Time 05-02-2006 03:45 PM

Re: 54 sooooted: Now with more passivity
 
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Bet the flop, fold to a raise.

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I can see this line, but I'd like more detail on why we'd fold to a raise?

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Call the river since only one overcard to yours came and it was only a seven.

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Even if one guy has total air and the other has a 5, which is being optimistic we're still calling 1BB to win 3.5 and that's best case scenario IMO. A 7 is well within BB's hand range after he calls the turn and leads the river.

For all you omgsupereasyturnlead guys: I probably shouldn't have posted the river action since the 3rd ace falling on the river biases responses a bit IMO but I'm not sure if betting the turn accomplishes a whole lot. Better hands call, worse hands fold. The only worse hand that calls has might be a PP lower than 5s or 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I opted to check the turn because we let a worse take a stab at it and incorrectly put money into the pot where they might fold if I lead. Plus, getting raised here on the turn is also pretty bad since we're likely drawing and want the field in, not out.


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