An incident with a dealer...
 

I'm involved in a hand and the pot is quite large, and as the action progresses I see the dealer deceptively separating several of the whites from the bulk of the pot.

As I win the hand, he pushes me the bulk of the bulk of the pot and as I look down, I immediately look back up to see the dealer take the 8-10 whites that were separated and immediately dump them in his tip box. He had the pile of whites right near the rake drop, to where at first I thought he was counting the rake drop... This is the third or fourth time that I've seen different dealers in this casino do this, but always for one dollar or something insignificant, but this definitely struck a nerve.

I'm a regular in this particular casino, and I'm on good terms with the floor. I'm sure if this were to be brought up this particular dealer would lose his job, but I don't know if this warrants that... yet.

Just approach him privately?

Go to the floor?

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If you are sure, I go to the floor.

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I'd immediately call the floor and go to the tapes.

Would you be okay with buying a sandwich at McDonalds w/ a $20 and getting $10 back? It's stealing.

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I think I would have said with some anger to the dealer, what the hell are you doing. Make it a noticable seen, so it will never happen, and get some answers on why that happned.

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Where was this?

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Lake Charles IoC

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Uh, this guy is stealing from you, and 100% they should/would lose job.

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What game was this? This looks suspicious, but it is also possible someone brought some white to a game that white doesn't normally play in. He should not be doing this, but it is possible that he held his last tip off to the side to buy white with when they went into the pot (maybe the rack was full). The reason I tell dealers to never do this sort of thing is it appears they are stealing if someone only sees part of the transaction.

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What game was this? This looks suspicious, but it is also possible someone brought some white to a game that white doesn't normally play in. He should not be doing this, but it is possible that he held his last tip off to the side to buy white with when they went into the pot (maybe the rack was full). The reason I tell dealers to never do this sort of thing is it appears they are stealing if someone only sees part of the transaction.

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It was a 5/5 game, and several players often limp with 5 whites so there are often 10 or more in the pot.

This was one of the shadier dealers, and I don't see the reasoning behind not tipping the red itself as dealers are often thrown reds/greens and they immediately throw it in their box.

Also, if this were the case why wouldn't he immediately make change and throw the whites in his tip box? He waited until someone won the pot, and it was pushed and then quickly put them into his box w/o tapping. He made it almost look as if the whites were the rake as far as placement, and timing.

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and I don't see the reasoning behind not tipping the red itself as [g]dealers are often thrown reds/greens[/b] and they immediately throw it in their box.


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OP is a dumbass having to ask other people on an internet message board if he should make notice to the floor of dealer stealing from him. Grow some balls wussy.

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What game was this? This looks suspicious, but it is also possible someone brought some white to a game that white doesn't normally play in. He should not be doing this, but it is possible that he held his last tip off to the side to buy white with when they went into the pot (maybe the rack was full). The reason I tell dealers to never do this sort of thing is it appears they are stealing if someone only sees part of the transaction.

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It was a 5/5 game, and several players often limp with 5 whites so there are often 10 or more in the pot.

This was one of the shadier dealers, and I don't see the reasoning behind not tipping the red itself as dealers are often thrown reds/greens and they immediately throw it in their box.

Also, if this were the case why wouldn't he immediately make change and throw the whites in his tip box? He waited until someone won the pot, and it was pushed and then quickly put them into his box w/o tapping. He made it almost look as if the whites were the rake as far as placement, and timing.

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Don't get me wrong there is a good chance he was stealing something; I was just pointing that there might have been a innocent (but misguided) reason he was doing it.

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?

An even better option would be to explain to him why I'll never tip him again, and that I won't hesitate to go to the floor the next time I see it.

This would probably save me hundreds of dollars in tips in the long run.

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?


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No. But stealing from people most certainly is.

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is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?


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if they deserve it yes, i am all for punishing people for what they did, assuming he did steal from you he knew what he was doing and knew it was wrong, let him burn for it

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You should have told the floor immediately. As you mentioned, it was only a few dollars, but someone who is willing to steal $10 from you is certainly willing to steal more if given the opportunity to do so. Situations such as this affect the integrity of the game.

You would not have had to make a public display of your complaint; I suggest that if you find yourself in this situation again, you discreetly notify the floorperson.

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As RR stated this MIGHT be a circumstance wherein you didn't see the entire transaction. It sounds like he was up to something. Most rooms have a defined procedure; push the pot, kill the hand, move the button, drop the rake, lock up the toke.... when you see a "sneaky" change in this, something is out of whack.

When you are legitimately suspicious, you must go to the floor and voice that suspicion( something JDLR, "just doesn't look right") and let them investigate.

Be careful making an absolute accusation, especially AT the table ("That dealer is stealing"), as you might be wrong, i have seen this happen several times.

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It sounds weird because most of the places I have played, they have a little cup fastened to the table to place the tokes and when they have five whites in the cup, they color up and put a red in their box. They don't want their tip box to get filled up with white.

I think Tunica and Vegas is the only place I remember seeing dealers put their tokes in a shirt pocket, which I assume they empty between downs.

If the dealer colored up to red, I probably wouldn't notice but coloring down doesn't make any sense, based upon my experience.

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I think your best option is to approach the floor and ask him what's up. If it's some strange procedure they have, he'll explain it. If the dealer is stealing, hopefully the floor will watch him and take care of it. If the floor can't explain why the dealer is doing it, and the practice continues, you could either notify the LA State Police or just find another place to play if you're not willing to get involved.

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?

An even better option would be to explain to him why I'll never tip him again, and that I won't hesitate to go to the floor the next time I see it.

This would probably save me hundreds of dollars in tips in the long run.

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Chances are the dealer has done this several times, so it's going to be more then five or ten dollars. This could easily amount to thousands.

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?

An even better option would be to explain to him why I'll never tip him again, and that I won't hesitate to go to the floor the next time I see it.

This would probably save me hundreds of dollars in tips in the long run.

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I had a dealer arrested by gaming agents after I observed and survielance confirmed he stole $1.

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I'd ask the dealer what just happened and if the answer isn't good enough for you go ahead and call the floor.

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I would have flipped the table over and started throwing fists.

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?

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What IF I was a grinder and I badly depended on the $8-$10 he stole from me so that I can have dinner next week? He deserves to be pimp-slapped.

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OP is a dumbass having to ask other people on an internet message board if he should make notice to the floor of dealer stealing from him. Grow some balls wussy.

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Harsh but accurate.

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You should not discuss this with the dealer. This should be raised with the manager. This will allow the manager to have surveillance what this dealer. If this was a theft as opposed to some sort of misunderstanding, it is inconceivable to me that the dealer does not do this on a regular basis. If surveillance is watching him they will catch him and they will have indisputable evidence of his theft.

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If he does it, then other dealers might think they can as well. Call floooor

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There was a dealer at the casino I work at that would take an extra dollar or two for the drop and throw it in his tray while making change for the rake.

They went back about a week and watched him do it several times on video. He was immediately escorted out and fired.

This is stealing. Its biting the hand that feeds you and in my mind not worth the extra $50 to $100 a week to get fired and not be able to get a job at another place.

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I'd immediately call the floor and go to the tapes.

Would you be okay with buying a sandwich at McDonalds w/ a $20 and getting $10 back? It's stealing.

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Ask dealer "Why did you take all my whites?" Await answer and proceed from there.

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As told, yes, you have to approach the floor manager as soon as possible.

There could have been another reason for it, just horrible procedure by the dealer, so no need to jump to conclusions at the table. I was accused of stealing at my first job by some moron who couldn't tell my toke box from the BBV drop. They had to and call the cameras and everything.

Anyway if it turns out he was stealing, he'll be gone & good riddance to him. It can do tons of damage to the reputation of the room and other dealers there, he'll all dealers really. We're discussing it here now even.

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I was accused of stealing at my first job by some moron who couldn't tell my toke box from the BBV drop.

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O RLY?

no friggin\' way i let this slide, this is way too far
 

I don't know why you'd be even the slightest bit sympathetic, cuz I wouldn't be. I've dealt a helluva lotta hands and I have never ever ever ever stolen even $1. He deserves to be fired and every other one of them that pulls this stunt also deserves to be fired. They should be taken out of the casino in handcuffs on the spot.

I can tolerate some things but if the rampant unprofessionalism in poker is going to extend all the way to "it's ok to steal chips out of the player's pots because the players are expected to tolerate it" then things are fixin' to fet real ugly cuz I'm drawing a line in the friggin' sand.

Al

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Not a pussy, but is $5-10 worth ruining someone's job and livelyhood?

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what?! Hell yea it is. stealing doesn't fly at any kind of job. this offense calls for termination on the spot and should be set as an example for the rest of the dealers and workers that stealing is a very serious matter.

$5-10? most likely he has stolen much more than that.

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It's stealing.

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If $5-10 isn't worth the dealer losing their job then they shouldn't be risking their job by stealing it.

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This is probably the most automatic "call the floor" situation I've ever seen and it's not even close.

That bastard is STEALING from you, and to make matters worse he's making you look like a complete SUCKER by doing it right in front of your face. He's telling you you're a mark, a sucker tourist, and you have no idea how the game is run. He's a thief and I'd pull the floor over, the gaming comission over, whoever the hell I needed to. He needs to be not only fired immediately, but arrested. I'd press charges. We already pay ridiculous sums to the rake, and to have this degenerate clown stealing from the pot is just insane.

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Lake Charles IoC

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That explains it. Just come over to Kinder and play with me.

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If I am not 100% certain that the dealer was stealing I would not say anything to him infront of the rest of the table. I would probably start paying much closer attention to him and make sure that I actually "Catch" him stealing at which point I would discreetly tell the floor. It is usually -EV to disrupt a table and arise any suspicion of any sort of stealing on a poker table whether by players or dealers...so keep it to yourself while on the table and don't start a scene!

I definately agree that you shouldn't just not say anything at all... Stealing is stealing and if the dealer is indeed stealing any chips then he should lose his job. Plain and simple!

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Just wondering, did you still toss him a tip on that hand?