Teach me how to win with KK...
 

***** Hand History for Game 6415298686 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 15, 16:02:45 ET 2007
Table Table 128358 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: lacanisse ( $98.50 USD )
Seat 3: State0fMind ( $255.23 USD )
Seat 4: jigaboo_jones ( $207.50 USD )
Seat 6: nlwolf ( $198.66 USD )
Seat 5: TormII ( $100 USD )
Seat 1: Praepman ( $98.50 USD )
jigaboo_jones posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
TormII posts big blind [$1 USD].
>You have options at Table 128027 Table!.
lacanisse posts big blind + dead [$1.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TormII [ Ks Kc ]
>You have options at Table 128027 Table!.
nlwolf folds
>You have options at Table 128027 Table!.
Praepman raises [$5 USD]
lacanisse calls [$4 USD]
State0fMind folds
>You have options at Table 126966 Table!.
>You have options at Table 127287 (No DP) Table!.
jigaboo_jones folds
>You have options at Table 128027 Table!.
>You have options at Table 126966 Table!.
TormII raises [$19 USD]
>You have options at Table 127287 (No DP) Table!.
Praepman folds
lacanisse calls [$15 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 3h, 6h ]
>You have options at Table 128027 Table!.
>You have options at Table 127287 (No DP) Table!.
TormII bets [$35 USD]
lacanisse is all-In [$78 USD]
TormII calls [$43 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
TormII shows [ Ks, Kc ]a pair of Kings.
lacanisse shows [ Jd, 4d ]a straight Three to Seven.
lacanisse wins $199 USD from the main pot with a straight, Three to Seven.

I'm obv. doing something wrong.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

The prompter kept telling you you had options, and obviously you chose the wrong ones. You deserved to lose.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

Fold preflop

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

move up, theyll probably respect your raises more, its the only thing you can do

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...if i could get people to call my raises with J-4 suited i would not be complaining

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...if i could get people to call my raises with J-4 suited i would not be complaining

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It doesn't seem to be helping me though.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

But they were soooted.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

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...if i could get people to call my raises with J-4 suited i would not be complaining

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It doesn't seem to be helping me though.

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Quit being results orientated. Go pick up a few books and start reading why this hand really doesn't matter.

Beat: Illiterate?

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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I used to play like that as well, hesitant to commit preflop. Long story short I think that folding KK to a re-raise (just one) is kind of a silly idea

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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lol

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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I used to play like that as well, hesitant to commit preflop. Long story short I think that folding KK to a re-raise (just one) is kind of a silly idea

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If a the guy re-raising me is really loose, sometimes I'll call and see a flop. If the flop doesn't have an A (which it does 90% of the time), Q or J, I usually feel okay calling small bets and trying to get to a cheap showdown.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

DIAGF

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

let me look in my db for my last KK hand.........

ok here it is:

note how the river is not a 3, 4, or 8

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $551.05 (137.76 BB)
MP: $347 (86.75 BB)
CO: $528.60 (132.15 BB)
keikiwai (BTN): $451 (112.75 BB)
SB: $765 (191.25 BB)
BB: $420.60 (105.15 BB)

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $54</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $38

Flop: ($114) 7http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $88</font>, UTG calls $88

Turn: ($290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $248</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $409.05 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $61 and is All-In

River: ($908) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $908 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$451 NET)
keikiwai showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $905 (+$454 NET)

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

flop has an ace 30% of the time

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let me look in my db for my last KK hand.........

ok here it is:

note how the river is not a 3, 4, or 8

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $551.05 (137.76 BB)
MP: $347 (86.75 BB)
CO: $528.60 (132.15 BB)
keikiwai (BTN): $451 (112.75 BB)
SB: $765 (191.25 BB)
BB: $420.60 (105.15 BB)

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $54</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $38

Flop: ($114) 7http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $88</font>, UTG calls $88

Turn: ($290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $248</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $409.05 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $61 and is All-In

River: ($908) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $908 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$451 NET)
keikiwai showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $905 (+$454 NET)

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Fold pf LDO

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flop has an ace 30% of the time

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When you're holding KK, it's more likely there will be an ace on the flop, since there's not one in your hand and fewer kings in the deck to block the aces.

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But, I've just been told that others fold. (One riddle, please.)

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KK:
PFR: 92.31
Win%: 76.92
W$WSF: 66.67
W$SD: 25.00
BB/Hand -0.43

Fold 'em pre-flop.

Re: Teach me how to win with KK...
 

Play it only for set value.

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put them to the decision for all your chips PF.. playing KK post flop is redic.

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I usually just fold KK to a re-raise pre-flop, since it's a damn ace magnet. A lot of people will think that's really nitty but I can find better spots to get my money in.

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yeah, i play it the same man, we're the best players

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put them to the decision for all your chips PF.. playing KK post flop is redic.

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that is simple to combat if you're good at runner runners

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

keikiwai (BB): $400
UTG: $340.80
CO: $497.50
BTN: $411
SB: $453.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to keikiwai (BB)
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $20</font>, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $70</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $453.75 and is All-In</font>, keikiwai calls $330 and is All-In

Flop: ($804) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($804) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($804) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $804 Pot ($2 Rake)
keikiwai showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $802 (+$402 NET)
SB showed Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Deuces) and LOST (-$400 NET)