STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1
 

I'm sick and tired of this "OMG I GOT BAD BEAT, I HAD A POCKET PAIR AND ALL YOU HAD WAS OVERCARDS!"

Preflop, a pocket pair only has 2 outs to improve,overcards have 6! (This is not even taking into account straight and flush draws!) That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand. So stop whining morans.

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

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No. <font color="white">And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.</font>

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

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No. <font color="white">And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.</font>

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DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

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No. <font color="white">And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.</font>

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DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

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lol I hope you understand the error in your logic...

You'll need a couple of promotions to get to azz clown status, moran.

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NOOOO AKs has only one suit, hence can only make one type of flush, therefore pocket pair has double the flush outs, 11 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], whereas 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] has 12 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s and 12 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s to catch!!!

pocket pairs are big favouritessss

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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.

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No. <font color="white">And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.</font>

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DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.

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lol I hope you understand the error in your logic...

You'll need a couple of promotions to get to azz clown status, moran.

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I don't know how you are this dumb. This is like first grade arithmetic, reducing fractions. Seriously, you just lost all credibility on these forums. Please tell me your name on Party Poker so I can add you to my buddy list.

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NOOOO AKs has only one suit, hence can only make one type of flush, therefore pocket pair has double the flush outs, 11 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], whereas 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] has 12 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s and 12 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s to catch!!!

pocket pairs are big favouritessss

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You're not properly discounting outs in the fact that pocket pairs need runner/runner to make their flush. And I was talking about unsuited as well as suited overcards, moran.

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This is the best thread ever.

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This is the best thread ever.

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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!

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This is the best thread ever.

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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!

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Yeah, I hate suckers who whine

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tl;dr

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tl;dr

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Speak English Moran.

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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I was about to ask the same thing... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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It seems like all the threads in this forum have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...snoet/orly.jpg

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_owl.jpg

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The picture isn't working, please fix it.

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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You're an idiot. You clearly don't understand meta-game concepts like the ones described by my thread. OMG I HAVE LIKE 1600 POSTS AND YOU HAVE 70, STFU NOOB.

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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

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I was about to ask the same thing... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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If you can't understand the simple math in this thread then you should definitely cry, and go back to first grade. People with less than 50 posts shouldn't be allowed to post, theyr'e always so dumb.

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t15255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t15255) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840. </font>

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This would be much better if CO had the 4d instead. He is a real man of genius.

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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.

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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.

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Hey Idiot, how is that at all relevant to the fact that because overcards have more outs they are a 3:1 favorite? You determine odds by calculating your outs moran.

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The pocket pair is a about a 55% favorite to win the hand. I agree that a pair losing to overcards is not a bad beat, but it is a small favorite nonetheless.

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The pocket pair is a about a 55% favorite to win the hand. I agree that a pair losing to overcards is not a bad beat, but it is a small favorite nonetheless.

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The overcards are 75% to win you [censored] idiot. How can people be soo retarded. Did you even read my post? Can you reduce fractions?

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t15255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t15255) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t15255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t15255) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.

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... its not fun when its this easy

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this whole bad beat forum is the only reason internet poker will never "dry up" - just when someone learns to play. they'll take a bad beat and post here with the sarcasm button not pressed and read about the doom switch sign on and off 20 times then go all in with 67 and think they are 3:1

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holly crap i just choked on some cranberry juice ); nh sir

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!

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Realize in this example that AA is a made hand and KQ has to improve. This is where the error of you math comes in. But I don't think you were talking about AA vs. xx. I though (at first) you were talking about (for example) QQ vs. AK or 99 vs. KJs.

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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IF YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS BOARD THAT ISN'T A TROLL POST THEN YOU SUCK AT POKER.

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dids:

In this new age of enlightenment, realize the O RLY owl is played out.

You need to gain some knowledge:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2...rry10xc2jb.png

PS: OP is correct. You all suck at poker.

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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I'm sure screaming about it got your point across all that much more. Do you feel better now?

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t15255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t15255) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.

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What are you whining about...you all had the same two outs to win...which means you were all 50%. Imagine winning that pot and getting 150%!!!

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

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lol You got me

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

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Well, I've thought about it some more. And like I said, from a strict pot odds point, its EV neutral, you all have a 1:3 shot of winning and you're all getting 3:1 on your money. Assuming you play well postflop and can outplay your opponents if you hit your outs, then yeah, implied odds may make this worth a call.