$2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

I'm going to [censored] slit my wrists. $256 for first $0 for second. Cruise through the first six matches then this idiot. Does anyone fold here and just wait for a better spot?

Poker Stars, $2 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: 1,520
Hero (SB): 1,480

Pre-Flop: (30) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 60</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to 100</font>, Hero calls 40

Flop: (200) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 1,420 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls 1,380 and is All-In

Turn: (2,960) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (2,960) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 2,960 Pot
BB showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Sixes) and WON 2,960 (+1,480 NET)
Hero showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-1,480 NET) <font color="white"> </font>

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

Oh man , this is brutal .

You have $256 on the line from a $2 investment ,and I hate to be critical here , but you should be folding ALL marginal situations . You pretty much threw away all your hard work on a coin flip at best .

If you fold , you are down to 1420 in chips . So if you think you're one of the better $2 players then your chance of winning may still be over 50 % . By calling , your chance of winning is slightly less than that more often than not .

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dude, youre a dog vs pretty much any possible holding. You have a low flushdraw and an inside straight draw. Thats it. Even vs. 78o without a club youre exactly 50/50.

The power of this kind of combo draw comes from fold equity (when you are betting yourself) and from its implied odds when the "unlikely" draw hits (ie. you make your gutshot).


Thats a terrible terrible call.

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

Yeah, I guess it's pretty bad now that I think about it. I don't play headsup a lot. Just kinda trying it out. Considering how bad this guy obviously is--min-raising and huge overshove with a set--I definitely should've folded. I guess I never really had someone shove like that into me when I had a big draw. Oh well.

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

who played it worse?

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My vote to Hero.

Sucks you got that far and lost in finals, I guess those MTTs are meant to tilt low stakes player, meh.

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dude, youre a dog vs pretty much any possible holding. You have a low flushdraw and an inside straight draw. Thats it. Even vs. 78o without a club youre exactly 50/50.

The power of this kind of combo draw comes from fold equity (when you are betting yourself) and from its implied odds when the "unlikely" draw hits (ie. you make your gutshot).


Thats a terrible terrible call.

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Have to agree, but this sucks man. Combo draws are good if you are the aggressor and not the caller. Sorry about the loss, man. That's gotta sting. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Villain played perfectly?

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who played it worse?

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Villain played perfectly?

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Against bad players villain may have played this perfectly . Against good players , villain could have extracted more by simply betting out .

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who played it worse?

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Against bad players villain may have played this perfectly . Against good players , villain could have extracted more by simply betting out .

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no kidding.

Sorry, this aint bbv, I know.

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

Give it to me good. I deserve it. Just an awful play by me. I didn't realize how bad this call was at the time. I just figured it was about 50/50 and I would take a shot. What a waste of six well played matches. At least I only lost $2. The lesson I learned was definitely worth two dollars. Thanks for the input guys!

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

You'd be surprised at how many people may actually think villain played this perfectly .

I can't tell whether you're serious or not .

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This hand shows one good thing for you - you are not afraid of losing, which is good for a poker player. Many players would think long here, but not you. I did things like that in the past when I felt like gambling, I thought I was the favorite until the guy showed up with the nuts. I've done that before, when I was less experienced. Not in Winner take all HUMTT though. It also sucks when the guy shows up with queen high and wins when you don't improve.

You'll get your money other way. GL

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Give it to me good. I deserve it. Just an awful play by me. I didn't realize how bad this call was at the time. I just figured it was about 50/50 and I would take a shot. What a waste of six well played matches. At least I only lost $2. The lesson I learned was definitely worth two dollars. Thanks for the input guys!

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Yeah, dont get us wrong please. Saying stuff like "terrible terrible call" sounds harsh but by that we mean NO more than the play. Nobody is criticizing you as a person or for posting or whatever. You are here to learn, so are we.

You arent even THAT far off with your 50/50 guess. Vs most one pair holdings it may be 47/53 or whatever. The reason the play isnt worth it cause there will be times when youre crushed (like here).

When calling all-in always look for reasons to fold first. Think of all the bad stuff that he can show with here. Clubsuited Jacks, a set, higher flushdraws (may take exactly that line). Then when looking at the "good" side of his range you will realize that you cant be more than a 50/50 or VERY slight favourite. Combining those two its not worth the risk.

I understand you though, and I think everybody else does too. Ive had moments calling overbets AI with naked flushdraws, hands that can only split or lose and guaranteed losers likewise.

The key to sucess at NLHE (and in life, for that matter) is to never make the same mistake in the same way you did before. You have learned from this and the next time in this spot you will think back and make a better decision.

I have learned many and most of my pokerlessons the hard way, so have many others. Try, fail, improve; repeat.

Re: $2.20 winner-take-all final match str8flush-draw
 

You have to get burned sometimes so that you don't make the same mistake again. Think of this hand as a learning experience. As you said, it was worth 2$.