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piiop 06-18-2007 05:27 PM

i has a full house
 
1/2 6max, currently 4-handed. i've been lag, bullying the table. CO is a donk, SB is a tag, BB is too loose, mostly passive not very good but not all the way retarded. he occasionally will min bet lead every street in an unraised pot if no one raises him. i've been pushing him around a lot and he's probably annoyed.

BB has ~240, I have him smothered in gravy.

I pot UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], CO and SB fold, BB calls.

Flop (15): 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he checks, I bet 12 which is what i'v been betting every time, he calls

turn (39): 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he checks, i bet 28, he c/rs pot, I DO WHAT?

sc000t 06-18-2007 05:41 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
Fold

Hopscotch 06-18-2007 05:45 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
cry?

Slap My Jack 06-18-2007 06:11 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
If he's been passive and not playing back, he's likely trying to make a hand against you thinking that's all it takes.

666KK/77766 > 77666

piiop 06-18-2007 06:52 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
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cry?

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usually, i already am

Double Straddle 06-18-2007 07:25 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
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If he's been passive and not playing back, he's likely trying to make a hand against you thinking that's all it takes.

666KK/77766 > 77666

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Don't forget about KKK66. I don't think a fold would be a big mistake. If you think you have the best hand here, you absolutely should not go all in here. You should flat call and let him bet again on the river.

Two options, then. Fold or call with the intention of calling all-in on the river.

sc000t 06-18-2007 07:30 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
Piiop,

What are your plans for the river IF you call this turn? Say J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls on riv.

Villian...
Checks
Bets 1/2 pot
Bets 3/4 pot
Bets pot.

Double Straddle 06-18-2007 07:33 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
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Piiop,

What are your plans for the river IF you call this turn? Say J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls on riv.

Villian...
Checks
Bets 1/2 pot
Bets 3/4 pot
Bets pot.

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I'm pretty certain villain does nothing but bet AI on the river after this turn move, regardless of his holding. There's not a PSB after the turn CR if you read the pot sizes.

sc000t 06-18-2007 07:42 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
I know the stack sizes, it was a more general question of a what would you do type, given villian could make each bet. Its important to factor in your possible actions on the river before you act on the turn.

Double Straddle 06-18-2007 08:05 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
Because of this I like checking the turn behind if the villain seems tilty/bluffy. That way we can catch his bluff on the river.

I was looking at the particular hand, and betting the turn has definitely put us in a pickle.

RoundTower 06-19-2007 01:46 AM

Re: i has a full house
 
I do not like checking the turn behind against this guy, he doesn't sound particularly bluffy and there's a good chance he will call with a worse hand. (Specifically, 6xxx).

I suppose I fold now but it seems very weak.

jbird 06-19-2007 10:09 AM

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i've been pushing him around a lot and he's probably annoyed.

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ZOMG I FLOPPED TRIP SIXES NOW I CAN DOUBLE THROUGH THIS GUY WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING ME AROUND. I'LL SHOW YOU BULLY!

call.

Slaladin 06-19-2007 10:14 AM

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I suppose I fold now but it seems very weak.

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piiop 06-19-2007 11:24 AM

Re: i has a full house
 
Yah, checking behind on the turn would be pretty bad. Also, if I decide to call the turn raise, I'm calling his river bet or putting him allin if he checks.

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ZOMG I FLOPPED TRIP SIXES NOW I CAN DOUBLE THROUGH THIS GUY WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING ME AROUND. I'LL SHOW YOU BULLY!


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Yah, I think he could probably have any KK, 77, 76, K6, or any unfull 6x here and play it the same so the only question is what % of the time he has which.

dudeoflife 06-19-2007 11:26 AM

Re: i has a full house
 
easiest fold ever. If you can't lay that down quit plo now.

jbird 06-19-2007 01:52 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
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Yah, I think he could probably have any KK, 77, 76, K6, or any unfull 6x here and play it the same so the only question is what % of the time he has which.

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Well by its very nature there are way more combos of 6x than there are KK, K6, 77, 76.

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easiest fold ever. If you can't lay that down quit plo now.


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excellent advice.

fslexcduck 06-19-2007 02:09 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
lol @ any six being as likely as a boat

-luego

sc000t 06-19-2007 02:57 PM

Re: i has a full house
 
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lol @ any six being as likely as a boat

- sc000t

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For everytime villian takes this line with a naked 6, I think you see fullhouses something like 8 times at least.


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