Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

Yourdaddylovesyou 19/17, my 24/20. He play agro vs me

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $2,693.60
BB: $300.00
UTG: $932.50
CO: $325.85
BTN: $933.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $21.00</font>, CO calls $21.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $120.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $288.00</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $933.60</font>, Hero ???

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

insta

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

Easy Easy call. You already have 30% of the money in with this hand. I'd hate to fold here.

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pretty sure you can't call here. just ran a simulation with AKs vs AKs,KK+ and you're -$45~ ev making this call against that range, and vs KK+ you're -$240 ev. given that he won't be reshoving AKs every single time, the true equity is probably somewhere in between the two, making this a fold.

even if you put QQ into his range (i.e., the widest possible range), it becomes +$70 ev, so i'm pretty sure you gotta fold here.

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LOL @ the people saying instacall. YOU GOT DA ACE KING GET IT IN BABEEEEEEEE!!!!!

This is fairly close but you can fold here. His range is comprised almost entirely of AA/KK.

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

insta call
u have equity against AK,KK+ and u can easily be exploited if you lay down hands like this pre

if you do not have a very good reason this is a call

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theres no way i would 4bet w/the intention of folding

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pretty sure you can't call here. just ran a simulation with AKs vs AKs,KK+ and you're -$45~ ev making this call against that range, and vs KK+ you're -$240 ev. given that he won't be reshoving AKs every single time, the true equity is probably somewhere in between the two, making this a fold.

even if you put QQ into his range (i.e., the widest possible range), it becomes +$70 ev, so i'm pretty sure you gotta fold here.

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He definitely isn't folding QQ every time, and probably not AK either. I think this is a call for sure.

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

UTGs stats is kindof relevant as well. Excluding AKo from his range totally is a mistake. I also agree that 4-betting is not a good idea if it is with intention of folding to a push, better to just fold to the 3-bet then (or maybe even call).

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Also fwiw villain is more like 22/19 over my datamines for the past three months, which has a sample size of over 30k hands.

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hes shown me a8s and 66 here..at the showdown ofcourse

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theres no way i would 4bet w/the intention of folding

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word

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

i think it's a call he dont need to make such play with AA or KK but sometimes ppl do it when they belive they will be called cuz of previous confrontations or oppenents tilt.

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getting 2-1, its about break even EV against QQ+. If theres any chance in hell he's pushing AK or even JJ, its gotta be an autocall.

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yes he will also sometimes reshove with AKo, but he will also sometimes fold with AKs/AKo, which is why i think only including suited combinations of AK is a good approximation, since i mean felting AK on the BT in this situation for 150bb most people would recognize as pretty bad, since you are both repping massive strength here, so he will fold it sometimes and also fold QQ sometimes

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Iam not sure why you just didnt call the btn. re raise of 120. Why did you re raise that. What can you beat here if you call the all in? He easily has KK here, I see no point in a call.

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Your small 4bet is the worst of all possible options. If thats your plan, you're better off shoving and making him think you're on a meta resteal.

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I still don't know what you were thinking. I am still thinking about your re raise a re raise?? You think he was bluffing?

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lmao it's so funny that this thread is vs yourdaddylovesyou. he will have 99 and [censored] here. it's an interesting thread vs a nit but vs this guy it's instacall and even when the board bricks out, still maintain some hope of winning

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lmao it's so funny that this thread is vs yourdaddylovesyou. he will have 99 and [censored] here. it's an interesting thread vs a nit but vs this guy it's instacall and even when the board bricks out, still maintain some hope of winning

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He called me twice yesterday AIPF with AQo.

Not Calling here is a spew.

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

This is obv an easy call. I agree with JEFF OR DAD that 4-betting and folding to a shove is absolutely terrible with this hand. The thing is that IF we are 4-betting as often as we should, then we have to be prepared to get it allin with such a strong hand as AKs because we cant fold such a big part of our range to a 5-bet allin.(e.g. only call with AA,KK )

Ansky wrote a sick good post about this several months ago, if someone have the link, please post it because I would love to read it again.

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

Just a silly question is it
a good idea to 4bet JJ/QQ and AK in this spot?

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lmao it's so funny that this thread is vs yourdaddylovesyou. he will have 99 and [censored] here. it's an interesting thread vs a nit but vs this guy it's instacall and even when the board bricks out, still maintain some hope of winning

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aks is like the ubernuts

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Your small 4bet is the worst of all possible options. If thats your plan, you're better off shoving and making him think you're on a meta resteal.

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what?

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

small 4bet is perfect once you dont think about folding now

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

Is it really good to 4bet here with AK,JJ/QQ?

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it is if you want to get them allin.

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I am so confused.

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I assume that we 4bet to call a shove.

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4-bet AKs &gt; QQ/JJ

Re: Party NL 600 allin w/ AKs ?
 

just read that galfond article and this is a pretty good example of someone making a play (the 4bet) and not having a [censored] clue why they did it