JJ- under fire
Villain is 42/11/1.8 after 54 hands. He's been pretty aggressive post flop. A little loose preflop. Never too far out of line though.
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls. Flop: (9.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls. The pair doesn't worry me because I can't see him playing anything with an 8 in it that way preflop By now though, I'm thinking villain may well have JJ+ but he may also play 99-TT like this so I am planning to call down. Should I have treyed this flop? And if I had would his subsequent action have further defined his hand? Turn: (6.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. Now we can add a flush board and a straight board to the misery. But I think I have to call down since neither flush or straight seems very likely. Two big clubs maybe?? AKc or something?? Nah an overpair is still most likely and I really thought I was calling behind here. The problem with that is if I thought that I had to fold with only 2 outs right? Did I have to fold here or does the 99-TT possibility keep me in? River: (8.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero??? Now I'm in a quandry. Nice sized pot but is there any reasonable chance I win here? Or is this a righteous fold? |
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He's been pretty aggressive post flop. A little loose preflop. Never too far out of line though. [/ QUOTE ] I call this. His LRR preflop is worthy of a lookup. Plus, he might be the type to 3-barrel AK UI or some other overcard combo in hopes that you will fold. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see something like 77 here... I don't know why I feel that way except that perhaps I've played some other player who did a LRR with a medium PP and then check-raised a paired board like this. |
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I understand what you are saying but your example isn't real comforting. This river card made 77 a pretty good hand [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].
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LRR by a guy that clearly looks like a retard ... i generally look this crap up (especially if you've been putting pressure on him lately)
I think your are good here often enough getting 3:1 on a call down don't 'not expect' A8 ... IMO also ... on the river you say "Nice sized pot" ... your decision was made on the flop (you are not getting 9:1 to call here ... you called the flop getting 3:1 screaming SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!! - this was based on a set of hand at that point, perhaps you want to change your mind before you put in the final bet, much like hitting a jack and raising) [ QUOTE ] I've played some other player who did a LRR with a medium PP and then check-raised a paired board like this. [/ QUOTE ] happens all the time |
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If Villan bet-folds a lot you can take a shot at the river getting 5:1 and then post it in the NC thread. I hate folding after a LRR but I really don't think its that big of a mistake to fold the turn with the read that Vil is rarely that far out of line. There is a lot of agression and if he LRR baby PPs, pretty much all of them have a set, str8 or flush by the river so I drop it there. What is your image to make him take this line? |
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your decision was made on the flop (you are not getting 9:1 to call here ... you called the flop getting 3:1 screaming SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] BOOOYAHHH |
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Good points sir. On balance then I can call the river just to see his hole cards can't I? HeHe... he didn't have A8 but it would have been worth .50 to write a note that he Smooth raised with it wouldn't it now? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Well I don't really know what his read is. I was playing about 25/10/2. I tend to be a little weak tight sometimes but less and less frquently and I don't think I had showed him that. I think it's more likely he didn't have me on a range at all and was just playing his own hand. If he was thinking about my hand he probably had me on big OC's since I didn't trey the flop.
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I call down all the way, just cause LRRs make me really damn curious.
I like your play here. I see no value in raising after he c/r's the flop following your pf cap. The river is close, but I think our aggro postflop read pushes us slightly towards a call. edit: post 200, what it dew |
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I think we can safely fold the turn. That is one of the many cards we did not want to see on a calldown.
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my god thats a terrible board.
i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet as played just call the river |
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im 3 betting flop leading turn...c/r overcards/randomstuff on a paired board is pretty normal for a postflop lag against a tight player.
@Buzz When we just call the flop, we cant fold on the turn. As played i cant find a fold HU against a postflop lag. |
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my god thats a terrible board. i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet as played just call the river [/ QUOTE ] if you're calling down a turn 3 bet i dont understand why you would raise it. |
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my god thats a terrible board. i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet as played just call the river [/ QUOTE ] i don't get it ... if you're raising the turn you have to fold to a 3bet -- putting in that many bets with JJ here against this action is out-of-line IMO (I don't think you are good often enough to wager that amount) |
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for value. a 44/11 usually has a weaker PP here.
AA/KK generally just b/3bet the flop i put him on TT or less the majority of the time |
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im 3 betting flop leading turn...c/r overcards/randomstuff on a paired board is pretty normal for a postflop lag against a tight player. @Buzz When we just call the flop, we cant fold on the turn. As played i cant find a fold HU against a postflop lag. [/ QUOTE ] we just got difecta'd (preflop & flop). His pfr is normal. Buzz |
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for value. a 44/11 usually has a weaker PP here. AA/KK generally just b/3bet the flop i put him on TT or less the majority of the time [/ QUOTE ] raise for value yes ... but calling a 3bet isn't you can ditch small pairs and random crap and pretty much narrow his range down to something that kills you ... i don't mind a raise - but when you take that line you have to fold ... you are putting in too many bets HU (IMO - when HU you must consider all bet you put into the pot) so your bet/call line wagers (from the flop decision): 5:2 ... a lot different than slightly better than 3:1 wager |
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