NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

Villian seems good, he's done nothing out of the ordinary, stats 17/12/3 over 181 hands FWIW.
I've been playing something like 30/15/3.
We haven't played a big pot together yet.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $37.15
BB: $28.15
UTG: $25.00
MP: $27.35
CO: $23.70
Hero (BTN): $24.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.40, BB folds, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $34.65</font>, CO folds, Hero ???

Is this worse than KK often enough to be a call?

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

Definite fold, AJ is NOT doing that here. Pot played out exactly as villain would want it if he held a set of 5s, 8s or Js. AA and KK are also possibilities, but I'd be more afraid of the set. I don't see any other potential hands doing this.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

def looks like a line a set would take here. I'm thinking a set is more likely, but i wouldn't rule out KK/AA. time to lay it down. if the villain really hasn't been out of line, no reason to think he's stacking off with just a J here, IMO.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

SB has a set like all the time, or he's making a weird move that's going to work in this case. snapfold

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

he's got a set. if he doesn't, you can't profitably call this in the long run anyways. insta-fold.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

raise more preflop, to like 4. as played fold, you beat nothing that he has here.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

Thanks for the responses,

... Hero calls all-in for $15.90
Uncalled bet of $12.25 returned to SB

Turn: ($53.55) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($53.55) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $53.55 ($2.65 Rake)

SB had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings) and WON (+$26.00)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and LOST (-$24.90)

I know it was a terrible call but I kinda needed a bit of flaming so that sinks in, thanks guys.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

Easy Fold.

IMO.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

[ QUOTE ]
Villian seems good, he's done nothing out of the ordinary, stats 17/12/3 over 181 hands FWIW.
I've been playing something like 30/15/3.
We haven't played a big pot together yet.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $37.15
BB: $28.15
UTG: $25.00
MP: $27.35
CO: $23.70
Hero (BTN): $24.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.40, BB folds, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $34.65</font>, CO folds, Hero ???

Is this worse than KK often enough to be a call?

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Its funny how often that weak lead works... weak lead, raise... reraise... all the money gets in.

I use this move a lot always thinking its going to be obvious... yet it works so often.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

damn, if i had a set in villain's case i'd consider calling, hoping BB comes along and crai the turn. Pretty much a dream flop.

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

We know OP is behind and he admits the weak call. I look at Villain's push and think this was played terribly as well.

First the check raise was stupid, but what do you guys think he should be raising to with the check raise? Like $12 or $15? Also, I would have just bet out the size of the pot if I was villain in this hand.

Anyone else agree/disagree?

Re: NL25 QQ Overpair, Fold Here Right?
 

[ QUOTE ]
We know OP is behind and he admits the weak call. I look at Villain's push and think this was played terribly as well.

First the check raise was stupid, but what do you guys think he should be raising to with the check raise? Like $12 or $15? Also, I would have just bet out the size of the pot if I was villain in this hand.

Anyone else agree/disagree?

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I think it terrible if it gets a fold. Villain's play has to be judged by how well he knew his opponents. I know some players will fold to a strong bet but raise a weak bet. Others will call overbets because they think they're suspicious where other players will always call small value bets.

If villain get all the money in, I can't fault him.