ESPN really screwed up in their coverage on Tuesday
 

They didn't show the hand(they only showed it briefly in the Hold em or Fold em segment) that started Scotty's downfall. It came 4 hands before the Philip Hilm flopped set against Scotty's TPTK hand.

Mon Jul 16 2007 00:50 PST | Posted by BJNemeth

Featured Table: Tuan Lam Wins a 11.46 Million Pot Against Scotty Nguyen
Lee Childs has the button in seat 9, Tuan Lam raises from the small blind to 480,000, Scotty Nguyen reraises from the big blind to 1.48 million, and Lam thinks for about a minute before he calls. There is already 3.06 million in the pot.

The flop comes Kh5s4h, Lam checks, Nguyen bets 700,000, and Lam calls. There is now 4.46 million in the pot.

The turn card pairs the board with the Kd , and both players check.

The river card is the Jd, Lam bets 1 million, Nguyen raises to 3.5 million, and Lam goes into the tank for about five minutes before he eventually calls. Nguyen shows 4d3d for two pair, kings and fours, and Lam shows 10h10s for a higher two pair, kings and tens.

Tuan Lam wins the pot worth 11.46 million.

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THAT'S the hand Scotty misplayed. All this talk about the AQ vs. set of 5s hand is BS.

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Scotty misplayed? How? Because he got called?

I think it's an awesome play from start to finish.

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Yeah, they really screwed up. Norm could have gotten at least two more "What is Scotty doing? He could coast to the FT!" in on this hand.

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It was a good play but, not so close to the final table. Scotty Nguyen doesn't have to bluff so much when he is the favorite. Bluff for some small pots and don't get so involved in huge pots unless you have it. That's my strategy at least. But then again I'm not the Prince of Poker and I havn't won the Main Event so I'm probably talking out of my ass.

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This was not a good play -- turned his hand into a bluff (not that had much showdown value anyway, but it had a bit), and gave an opponent he knew had some sort of hand based on his flop call 3.6 : 1 odds to call his river raise.

If this play had been made by Rahme, we'd be stringing him up by his nipples. Let's not get starstruck here -- not a good play be Scotty.

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It was a good play but, not so close to the final table. Scotty Nguyen doesn't have to bluff so much when he is the favorite. Bluff for some small pots and don't get so involved in huge pots unless you have it. That's my strategy at least. But then again I'm not the Prince of Poker and I havn't won the Main Event so I'm probably talking out of my ass.

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Aaach! I keep reading this over and over. Don't get involved in huge pots when you can cruise to FT. Bullcrap! You need 200 million plus chips to win the ME so just having 18M at the FT is nothing. Plus, it's a 5 handed table he's on. What do you want him to do? Just get blinded every round and fold all cards? Play tight? That's for people who only care about moving up a spot for more money.

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Look, I love Scotty, but he's got 43s against a PF raiser who called his r/r and his big flop bet. Even if Scotty just calls the river on a hunch he saves 3.5M. Yeah you have to take chances. But what indication did Scotty have that Lam didn't really like his hand?? All Lam needs is a K, J or 5 to take this down.

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Look, I love Scotty, but he's got 43s against a PF raiser who called his r/r and his big flop bet. Even if Scotty just calls the river on a hunch he saves 3.5M. Yeah you have to take chances. But what indication did Scotty have that Lam didn't really like his hand?? All Lam needs is a K, J or 5 to take this down.

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I'm not talking about one specific hand. I just keep reading the same thing over and over - Scotty can just cruise to FT and with his experience he will win it. That kind of thinking is so bad I can barely put into words what I am thinking. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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PF raiser from the SB means little. When he called it meant something. NOW why scotty would think anything that beats him would fold the river, is a mystery. Thin value bet for A-high maybe?

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PF raiser from the SB means little. When he called it meant something. NOW why scotty would think anything that beats him would fold the river, is a mystery. Thin value bet for A-high maybe?

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Are you serious, suzzer? I thought you were good.

You're right, a raise from SB means little after btn limps and you are 5-6 handed. But a re-raise from BB usually means I have a good hand. Now a SB call means so do I.

Flop action: K54 2 hearts

SB checks.
Scotty bets (which is fairly standard for any hand scott can have here).
SB calls (his range here is 88+,KQ/AK, maybe KJ, and AQhh/AJhh (although i think sb might either c/r or bet/3bet AI with the draws)

Turn K

SB checks
Scotty checks (fairly standard for a hand like JJ+ for pot control)

River Jx

SB bets 1 million. I think this is where SB really put himself in a tough spot in the hand. Since we all know what he had why would he bet this river? He thinks it's a thin value bet.

Now scotty thinks, if I have JJ+, how would I play this since I have an aggressive image, I could get paid off with a thin value raise since my opponent won't 3 bet w/o a K this close to FT and hell, he might even call fearing I have AK/JJ. Also he knows his opponent is capable of making folds so he'll only call here with QQ+. So he makes it 3.5 million to look like he wants to get called.

However, Tuan is a very good player and I guess had some read on scotty that he was tilting. But I bet you against anyone else or if he hadn't been tilting at the time, this play works 90-95% of the time.



BTW, there is no way scotty's hand has showdown value.

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PF raiser from the SB means little. When he called it meant something. NOW why scotty would think anything that beats him would fold the river, is a mystery. Thin value bet for A-high maybe?

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I don't think a call with TT on the river is all that easy..

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PF raiser from the SB means little. When he called it meant something. NOW why scotty would think anything that beats him would fold the river, is a mystery. Thin value bet for A-high maybe?

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I don't think a call with TT on the river is all that easy..

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for the record, if scotty puts him on TT,99, any middle pocket pair, thats looks like a damn good bet on the end.

edit: on the river, tuan bets 1m into nearly 4.5m pot... it must have smelled an awful lot like a blocker bet to scotty (which it seems to have been), and scotty took a pretty nice shot at taking down the pot imo

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Scotty misplayed? How? Because he got called?

I think it's an awesome play from start to finish.

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including the less than 1/4 pot c-bet?

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I think Scotty should have reraised more, Lam got a pretty big odds on his money with TT.
Scotty could easily have JJ there and reraise his FH on the river, while checking the turn.Make it 6.5m total and Lam can't call.Doubt Lam has any K there...

That's a big hand and they should have shown it...

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Agreed. ESPN sucks at covering poker tournaments.

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Everyone always comments on how these pros misplayed their hands, but it never occurs to anyone that they were acting on reads!!! I'm sure Scotty noticed that Lam was nervous (which he probably was facing a preflop 3 bet on a king high board) and put him on air. I'm sure Kenny Tran thought he had good reason to stack off with top pair in his downfall hand. Obviously they weren't right in these situations, but they probably would not have gotten as far as they did without trusting their reads and taking similar chances at some point. Give credit to their opponents for throwing them off, whether intentional or not.

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Everyone always comments on how these pros misplayed their hands, but it never occurs to anyone that they were acting on reads!!! I'm sure Scotty noticed that Lam was nervous (which he probably was facing a preflop 3 bet on a king high board) and put him on air. I'm sure Kenny Tran thought he had good reason to stack off with top pair in his downfall hand. Obviously they weren't right in these situations, but they probably would not have gotten as far as they did without trusting their reads and taking similar chances at some point. Give credit to their opponents for throwing them off, whether intentional or not.

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