99 on very drawy board
 

BTN = 69/21/1.26
CO is unknown 3rd hand he'll play

CO ($1.52)
Button ($1.80)
SB ($1.78)
BB ($1.61) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks,

I failed to raise pre-flop, but now my thoughts are get to showdown as cheap as possible as to many draws are possible. Even if I hit a T or 5 at best I split it.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 2BB )
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls,

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 3.5BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls,

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 6.5BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls,

Final Pot: 8.1BB

How's this line?

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

gotta raise pf

since you didn't, c/r the flop and lead the turn and lead the river.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

Raise PF, but you already knew that.
Bet or c/r on the flop. OESD, overpair and BDFD, even BDSFD.
Hand plays differently from there...

By the way, why are you so sure that you are going to split the pot with a T or 5? You already have 2 of the 9s...

*edit* you can't raise the flop. Only bet or c/r. Sorry

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

having failed to raise pf, not betting the flop is quite dumb (unless you've got a read that someone is definitely betting the flop -- but you don't have that).

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

Raise it preflop.

Bet the flop with your overpair.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

Haven't read other replies yet.

Pre-flop - raise. pretty standard right? esp. four handed
Flop - bet, you probably have the best hand and OESD to improve if needed
Turn - bet, no reason to think your hand still isn't best
River - bet

obviously if you raised pre and bet post flop you would have a better read on CO and pot odds change, but as played I bet/raise every street

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

* grunch *

I think you did give up some equity preflop and maybe even lost a little fold equity later on in the hand. I also think your straight outs a pretty clean vs splitting - you hold two nines that act as 'blockers'.

I c/r the flop hoping to see overcards in the muck and to exploit our equity advantage now that we can because a 5 or T probably slows down the action if we hit.

As played I c/r the turn. Just about the safest card in the deck, had it been red it would have been the safest. You are ahead a lot here, raise.

As played c/c river is fine. You've underpresented your hand all the way.

EDIT: now that I've read the other replies flop c/r is stupidly risky. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Bet.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

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BTN = 69/21/1.26
CO is unknown 3rd hand he'll play

CO ($1.52)
Button ($1.80)
SB ($1.78)
BB ($1.61) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks,

I failed to raise pre-flop, but now my thoughts are get to showdown as cheap as possible as to many draws are possible.

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A better thought would have been: "bet every street to get maximum value out of my overpair". That line also protects your hand from all those draws.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

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I failed to raise pre-flop, but now my thoughts are get to showdown as cheap as possible as to many draws are possible. Even if I hit a T or 5 at best I split it.

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Isn't this very pessimistic? Why do you think there is another 9 out there among opps six cards. Raise and bet etc. for value.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

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By the way, why are you so sure that you are going to split the pot with a T or 5? You already have 2 of the 9s...

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I think at the time I was in "result oriented mode" against these guys and just instantly assumed they were drawing at me.

Another lesson learned and some valuable replies. Thanks all.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

I noticed a lot of suggestions for a c/r on the flop. When are c/rs profitable, what conditions do you use them and what is the desired effect? A free card?

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

Your questions here are pretty broad as the conditions change for every different hand. In a nutshell though, flop check raises can profitable for a couple of reasons. You get more money in when you are ahead, it protects your hand. Check raising to protect your hand works better when you have a good, but not great hand. (like 99 in the hand above but on a 10,2,Q rainbow flop. Not as drawy as the board in the discussed hand) eg, you check, the PFR bets out, you raise and you leave the remaining players calling two cold. The down side to check raising in a spot like the hand above is that it can bloat the pot and encourage draws to stay in that otherwise would have just been peeling lightly on the flop.

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

man i have been gone a while haven't i

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

pfft ... what's up with all the "gots to raiz the nines preflops - yo"

preflop is totally 'whatever' ... not betting the flop is stupid though

Re: 99 on very drawy board
 

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pfft ... what's up with all the "gots to raiz the nines preflops - yo"

preflop is totally 'whatever' ... not betting the flop is stupid though

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