Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
villian is unkown, anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws, i have a pot sized bet left. Is this still an ez shove? B/f 700? C/c? c/f?
Full Tilt Poker Game #3946822491: $55,000 Guarantee (29411483), Table 28 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:48:45 ET - 2007/10/23 Seat 1: Draften (8,137) Seat 2: charder30 (3,990) Seat 3: rojames (3,815) Seat 4: dsgnr4hire (2,090) Seat 5: YogAce (2,785), is sitting out Seat 7: THE__D__RY (3,628) Seat 9: Numba0neStunn4 (10,455) charder30 posts the small blind of 25 rojames posts the big blind of 50 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to charder30 [Tc Ts] dsgnr4hire raises to 150 YogAce folds THE__D__RY folds Numba0neStunn4 folds Draften folds charder30 calls 125 rojames has 15 seconds left to act rojames calls 100 *** FLOP *** [Qc 5c Th] charder30 bets 300 rojames calls 300 dsgnr4hire folds *** TURN *** [Qc 5c Th] [3h] charder30 bets 850 rojames calls 850 *** RIVER *** [Qc 5c Th 3h] [2c] charder30 has 15 seconds left to act charder30 has requested TIME charder30 ...? |
Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
bet more on the flop. i kinda like b/f 700 on river. i think he folds qx to a shove sometimes and of course with the timing tell he can def show up with a flush here. i also never expect him to fold a pair when we bet this small. i don't think we get bluffed too often although in terms of exploitable bet sizing vs. unknowns this seems like a spot where we would get bluffed more often than usual.
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Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
Full Tilt Poker Game #3946915470: $55,000 Guarantee (29411483), Table 28 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:57:42 ET - 2007/10/23
Seat 1: Draften (8,182) Seat 2: charder30 (5,380) Seat 3: rojames (2,035) Seat 4: dsgnr4hire (1,850) Seat 5: YogAce (2,695), is sitting out Seat 6: Ames_is_Queen (4,310) Seat 7: THE__D__RY (3,838) Seat 8: ChipSteela (6,260) Seat 9: Numba0neStunn4 (10,620) charder30 posts the small blind of 30 rojames posts the big blind of 60 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to charder30 [Kc Ad] dsgnr4hire folds YogAce folds Ames_is_Queen folds THE__D__RY has 15 seconds left to act THE__D__RY folds ChipSteela raises to 180 Numba0neStunn4 raises to 480 Draften folds charder30 has 15 seconds left to act charder30 has requested TIME charder30 |
Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
shove/call
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shove/call [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
Shove. The timing tell could mean any number of things in this spot. That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, have a ball!
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That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, there, everywhere!, have a ball! [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, there, everywhere!, have a ball! [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] ur so mean. yeah i shoved, and he folded, not idea what he had |
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anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws [/ QUOTE ] It means mid pair or like JJ here. I don't I've ever seen anyone snapcall with draws. |
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[ QUOTE ] anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws [/ QUOTE ] It means mid pair or like JJ here. I don't I've ever seen anyone snapcall with draws. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah it's my experience too that it's not as much a draw as a made weak hand, like QJ etc. Draws *usually* will take more time to decide on a reraise/call. |
Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
never seeen anyone snapcall with draws huh? i think its one of the most reliable tells in the book
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never seeen anyone snapcall with draws huh? i think its one of the most reliable tells in the book [/ QUOTE ] I could be exaggarating but its a lot more likely to be midpair type hand than pure draw w/o made hand. I can guarantee the oop insta check-insta call is not a draw very often atleast, I suppose its different in position. |
Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
Same difference in this hand, in terms of how to play the river, once the scarier draw comes in.
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Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
i think his range here is aq,kq,qj,club draw,kj or j9.i think the snap call is a very reliable tell also. i also think he folds qj and kq and aq and only calls u with a flush.i dont see any other hand he ccan snap call u with twice.
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