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praios 11-20-2007 05:26 PM

set unraist pot how to play?
 
$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$685.90</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$1137.20</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$1200.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$544.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$553.15</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$1284.45</font>)

Pre-flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is SB 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $3, BB checks

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($33, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $16</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $16, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($65, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $48</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $150</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero goes all-in $531.15</font>, UTG calls $381.15

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1175.3, 2 players)

Final Pot: $2290.6

40/10/2.8/26 villian

philipsaurus 11-20-2007 05:29 PM

Re: set unraist pot how to play?
 
bet more on flop.

i think the rest is fine. unless he peeled 98hh or something, you'll be good. a large part of his range is 67/jtss and similar.

eh didnt notice that 98 was double gutted. meh, i prob play it the same anyway.

FionnMac 11-20-2007 05:31 PM

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unless he peeled 98hh or something

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Umm he's peeling any 89 on flop. But yeh, obv just get it in on the turn.

philipsaurus 11-20-2007 05:33 PM

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unless he peeled 98hh or something

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Umm he's peeling any 89 on flop. But yeh, obv just get it in on the turn.

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ya i know. i edited my post. i didnt realize it was double gutted at first. hence, my statement.

cbboy 11-20-2007 05:42 PM

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Raise PF. Bet more on the flop. Turn is std.

thejerkface 11-20-2007 05:53 PM

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Raise PF. Bet more on the flop. Turn is std.

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RiverHebrew2 11-20-2007 06:57 PM

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I'd call turn and reeval riv. I hate turn push, esp in unraised pot. He plays 40% of his hands and his AF isn't ridiculous.. and his pfr shows he's somewhat passive. I think you ran into 89s here tons. I like your flop donk.

ArturiusX 11-20-2007 06:59 PM

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Raise preflop? What the [censored]?

xorbie 11-20-2007 07:01 PM

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Raise preflop? What the [censored]?

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cbboy 11-20-2007 07:03 PM

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Raise preflop? What the [censored]?

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So you like raising PF or not?

xorbie 11-20-2007 07:06 PM

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No, it's horrible.

cbboy 11-20-2007 07:07 PM

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Why?

ArturiusX 11-20-2007 07:07 PM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

JFsports 11-20-2007 07:09 PM

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Don't Raise PF. Bet more on the flop. Turn is std.

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cbboy 11-20-2007 07:09 PM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

Borsig 11-20-2007 07:14 PM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

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You don't want to build a pot against two people where one of them is a loose station oop with 55. completing sb and playing for set value w/e is much better.

ArturiusX 11-20-2007 07:18 PM

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

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Because 2p2ers always raise PP am i rite

praios 11-21-2007 12:20 AM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

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You don't want to build a pot against two people where one of them is a loose station oop with 55. completing sb and playing for set value w/e is much better.

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i think so too

Lee_C 11-21-2007 01:24 AM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

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You don't want to build a pot against two people where one of them is a loose station oop with 55. completing sb and playing for set value w/e is much better.

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i think so too

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RAHZero 11-21-2007 02:01 AM

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Why?

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Uhhh, think long and hard about it.

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Uhhh.... try answering the question. I think raising is better than limping.

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You don't want to build a pot against two people where one of them is a loose station oop with 55. completing sb and playing for set value w/e is much better.

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Wow 2P2 is dumb today. You DON'T want to raise PF against a loose PF player who's a station post-flop? Are you serious?

cashy 11-21-2007 02:18 AM

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Wow 2P2 is dumb today. You DON'T want to raise PF against a loose PF player who's a station post-flop? Are you serious?

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level?

pokerchap 11-21-2007 02:19 AM

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Wow 2P2 is dumb today. You DON'T want to raise PF against a loose PF player who's a station post-flop? Are you serious?

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level?

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lol no?

RAHZero 11-21-2007 02:26 AM

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Wow 2P2 is dumb today. You DON'T want to raise PF against a loose PF player who's a station post-flop? Are you serious?

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level?

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Uh no. You win way more with a set in a raised pot against this guy than in an unraised pot.

Edit: Pretend this guy has KJ here (he almost certainly didn't given the way the action went, but lets say he did and the board played out the same way). You raise PF, he calls, you get his stack, because he never folds top pair in a raised pot on this board. Or you limp, he calls you down and you win less than half his stack most likely.

cashy 11-21-2007 02:40 AM

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hitting sets isnt very easy

RAHZero 11-21-2007 02:43 AM

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hitting sets isnt very easy

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And???

Psydoc 11-21-2007 02:49 AM

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Reload pre, then raise pre.

ArturiusX 11-21-2007 04:13 AM

Re: set unraist pot how to play?
 
Let me put it this way, would you squeeze with 55?

Trix 11-21-2007 05:50 AM

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If it has higher EV than calling :P

Trix 11-21-2007 05:52 AM

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Fold or call turn, he has 98 mostly. 4-way you should probably just pot the flop, but it depends on your other betsizing in this spot.

Psydoc 11-21-2007 10:13 AM

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Let me put it this way, would you squeeze with 55?

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No, because then if you hit a set, the pot would already be raised.

DanJ. 11-21-2007 10:16 AM

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Let me put it this way, would you squeeze with 55?

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No, because then if you hit a set, the pot would already be raised.

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lol ya. Also i think its stupid to say OMGMORANRAISEPF or OMGMORANFOLDPF because either play is fine.

Some9 11-21-2007 01:33 PM

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I like a much larger flop bet.

Bikini Wax 11-21-2007 01:38 PM

Re: set unraist pot how to play?
 
this thread hurts my brain, but yeah bet more on flop PF is fine stack off zilla gogo

Eagles 11-21-2007 03:32 PM

Re: set unraist pot how to play?
 
IMO rasing pf is better than folding but calling is clearly much better than both unless you like playing large pots oop when 75% of the time after you bet flop you need to c/f to any further action. And you are also likely to get multiple callers so you need to c.f a lot of flops also.


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