30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
Hero has AKc in mp
table is very loose and the button in this hand has been spewing for the last two orbits way on tilt. UTG is loose but not stupid. MP 1 is pretty tight and smart thinking regular. I have a very tight image borderlining weak tight. UTG raises MP1 three bets Hero calls (?) button four bets sb calls bb calls UTG caps all call -- 5 to the flop Jh 9h 4c Sb leads bb folds UTG 2 bets MP1 3 bets I fold -- (??) button calls Turn As sb leads all call River 2 c sb leads UTG shows KhQh and mucks in disgust MP1 calls shows pocket QQ Button mucks sb shows AT. Should I be calling this flop or rather raising with the backdoor draw plus the overs? The pot was pretty big so I'm thinking maybe this was a terrbile muck?? thanks |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
Is this a joke? Of course your fold on the turn was correct. This was not close.
that said, you might have cappped pf. I would do this to make sure I have position for the rest of hand, though usually it won't matter. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
4bet preflop.
flop is close. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
Hi, would also elect to 4 bet preflop especially with your image. I probably call on flop.
By the way, where is canterbury? |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
are you guys really considering calling 3 cold on this flop? seems like that is pretty bad with dirty overs and two bd draws...your K also completes an open ender and some of your bd straight draws will complete flushes...this seems like a pretty standard "i had a very good hand preflop, but i didn't flop [censored] so im gonna fold and put my money in in a better spot"...
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Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
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are you guys really considering calling 3 cold on this flop? seems like that is pretty bad with dirty overs and two bd draws...your K also completes an open ender and some of your bd straight draws will complete flushes...this seems like a pretty standard "i had a very good hand preflop, but i didn't flop [censored] so im gonna fold and put my money in in a better spot"... [/ QUOTE ] wow. i misread the flop action(2bet, 3bet confuses me). super easy fold. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
interesting tho.... he's getting 31:3 (results oriented 37:3)on the peel. You have to be pretty damn sure that your outs are no good to fold. He also has nut backdoor flush and a backdoor str8.
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Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
I mucked without much thought because I thought that there was a good chance if I hit my ace, I just end up paying off two pair (AJ most likely). I also thought there was a chance if I call the 3 bet the button might still be tilting and 4bet, letting the original better cap. If i turned a club I didnt want to have to pay 4-5 bets to see the river either. Thought it was a pretty standard fold, except a regular on my left (who was sweating) was surprised. Thought i might need a check up. Thanks for the input.
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Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
I think if you had 4 bet this preflop, given your image, you would've been able to see the turn cheaply on this bad flop. As played easy fold on the flop.
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Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
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interesting tho.... he's getting 31:3 (results oriented 37:3)on the peel. You have to be pretty damn sure that your outs are no good to fold. He also has nut backdoor flush and a backdoor str8. [/ QUOTE ] CSC, This was my initial reaction. I think its close enough so that my mood and the 5-bet cap make the difference. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
Canterbury is in Minneapolis, MN...
Also it is a bet and 4 raises... something to consider preflop. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
Sucks that you played good and needed to play bad here. You made the right play 100% of the time.
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Sucks that you played good and needed to play bad here. You made the right play 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] you cant call 3bets here.. that would be gross. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
I'd throw in a mix of cold calls and raises preflop depending on the standards of the raiser and reraiser ahead of me. That you were suited would generally have me default to a reraise.
I wouldn't cold call three on the flop here due to the 5 bet cap and what thirddan described as "dirty overs". Your overcard outs are heavily discounted with this sort of action in front and behind. Your backdoor straignt draw may turn into a split. This is not a spot to loosen up. You have to fold this flop. |
Re: 30-60 at canterbury... terrible fold?
with so many raises, you figure someone has to be on a flush-draw, so you only really have 4 clear outs with your overcards. back door draws maybe 1 more out each. The pot odds don't justify a call. UTG hit a great flop. He was clearly the favorite on the flop. I would have folded the flop. I agree with capping preflop.
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