Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

This table was pretty good. The big blind (who was largely irrelevant in this hand) had turned $120 into $1800 in the space of about 30 hands playing a masterful 50/20 game. The cut off was extremely passive and apart from playing 30/6 i hadn't really noticed much about him.

The button however seemed to know what he was doing, my stats said i had played 200 hands with him but apart from this session i don't remember playing with him before. He was running at 24/23, was pretty aggressive and quite good at exerting pressure. A few hands before i had stacked him on KQ8 flop in a 88 v AK confrontation, but apart from that no other hand between us has got past the flop; villain is PrimogenitoX.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($829.50)
MP ($610.65)
CO ($381.10)
Button ($801.25)
SB ($594)
BB ($1866.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $18, Button calls $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $72</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $244</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $363.1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $783.25</font>, Hero ???

I was pretty sure that if it was checked to PrimogenitoX he would bet and i could raise. So when i check raised i was smugly congratulating myself on my brilliance when i realised that both guys had JAMmed - this was not what i was expecting.

If it was just me and the button i would instacall. If it was just me and the cutoff, i would also instacall. If i started with 100bbs, i would probably call (albeit somewhat reluctantly). But two players and 133bbs, is it still a call?

Lockjaw

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

fold real quick. also, i hate check raising flop.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

I just bet out flop. As played I always tell myself this is a fold but end up calling some of the time. By the way, I think you could have made flop raise like $196.

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i would also lead flop and turbo-fold now.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

lol..the results are funny too

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I think we can all agree that this is a real quick fold.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

I think the flop c/r is gross.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

wow this is a bizzare hand but for 100bbs, [censored] it and put your money into the pot.

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I think we can all agree that this is a real quick fold.

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I dont, I'm in the call camp.

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wow this is a bizzare hand but for 100bbs, [censored] it and put your money into the pot.

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it's 130 bbs with button.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

CO has you crushed the majority of the time.

Re: Stars $3-$6 - That wasn\'t supposed to happen
 

I think you pretty much have to call given your odds and the fact we can safely say we're sometimes ahead here.

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Everyone who is saying this is a call obviously didn't read that I potted flop, was checkraised huge, had someone shove over the checkraise and then I overshoved.

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My guess is that some1 had 89 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the other had liek K7 diamonds and won with a pair of 7's.

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Everyone who is saying this is a call obviously didn't read that I potted flop, was checkraised huge, had someone shove over the checkraise and then I overshoved.

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yea, but OP has aces, and aces are the nuts.

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, and aces are the nuts.

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Results: CO had KK (lol) and I bricked out with 9d7d letting him scoop.

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Results: CO had KK (lol) and I bricked out with 9d7d letting him scoop.

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As you may have inferred from primo's post i folded as i couldn't really think of any range where i was ahead of both. Turn and river are blanks and i somehow take aces v kings, neither of us improve and yet he wins - what a player.

Primo, did it cross your mind to just smooth call the flop raise and reraise? On the face of it JAMming or folding appears to be your only options, but with the cutoff all in you almost certainly need to improve to win and the chances are that if you do improve you would be better facing two opponents rather than one. I suppose the main benefit of getting me to fold would be if you were up against a better flush draw, but the cutoff didn't really strike me as the type to call off his stack with just a draw (albeit on the evidence of this hand, i wasn't exactly reading this guy very well).

If you had called it would have confused the hell out of me and i am not exactly sure what i would have done. I would probably push a blank turn, but even then (i think) you would have had the odds to call, whereas if you had improved i would pay you off as obviously i can't fold after the flop action. Part of this is based on the fact that we know you were up against two overpairs rather than say a set and better flush draw, but i think it is interesting that an option that never crossed my mind initially may have been best. Anyone else like a call in primo's spot or is that just being results orientated?

Lockjaw