turn decision
 

giving 200nl another go tonight, hopefully permanently.

villain is 23/20/2.4 wtsd - 16%

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $135.25
SB: $320.55
Hero (BB): $199
UTG: $147
MP: $56
CO: $64.85

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $24</font>, Hero ...?

not really planning on folding... more a question of weighing the benefits between raising and calling

Re: turn decision
 

call down regardless, no worse hand is calling a raise.
Raising the flop vs an aggro SB might be an option, but thats about it imho

Re: turn decision
 

aren't we behind his range here, or is folding too weak tight because its bvb?

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I like a call down. If you raise on the turn, there are a lot of hands that he should 3 bet shove with such as a pair/flush draw, bigger pairs, J10. I think it's best to just call down and try to get to a showdown. If you're faced a big bet on the river, I think I would fold even though its bvb b/c I'd rather not 1/2 stack off with a single pair on that dangerous board.

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Calling down is best imo, fold to a diamond river but call down the rest, i think u will c 89 sometimes, aj quite a bit but also some diamond draws, kq and some worst jacks (i dont think villain ever has j10 or a set here). ppl saying he will 3bet shove combo draws etc. should realize hes raising flop far more often than turn with them.

Re: turn decision
 

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Calling down is best imo, fold to a diamond river but call down the rest, i think u will c 89 sometimes, aj quite a bit but also some diamond draws, kq and some worst jacks (i dont think villain ever has j10 or a set here). ppl saying he will 3bet shove combo draws etc. should realize hes raising flop far more often than turn with them.

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You think he has the diamond draw often enough to fold to any diamond river?

Re: turn decision
 

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call down regardless, no worse hand is calling a raise.
Raising the flop vs an aggro SB might be an option, but thats about it imho

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well if we plan on calling down regardless and assume villain will continue betting 2/3 pot, we'll be facing a river bet of about $50-55.

considering how draw heavy the board is, wouldnt we be better off putting in that 50 by raising the turn for a free sd/charging draws instead of calling a river bet?

also, consider that the 7 on the turn completed one of the obvious draws on the flop so its not inconceivable that villain would fold a better hand.

Re: turn decision
 

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(i dont think villain ever has j10 or a set here).

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Why?

Re: turn decision
 

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aren't we behind his range here, or is folding too weak tight because its bvb?

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lol, yeah cant fold the turn here. sorry

Re: turn decision
 

i just call this down. I think raising just puts you in a more difficult spot. i wouldnt want to be playing a big pot with this hand and raising wouldnt really chase out much on this board

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I don't mind a call down. Folding can be considered but meh.

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Call down.

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I think raising just puts you in a more difficult spot.

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why? on a board this ugly, the only hands a reasonably sane villain is gonna 3bet are sets/2prs/straights. if he comes back over the top it's pretty clear I'm beat and can fold.

everyone wants to call down. my question is if you're gonna put in another 50 on the river, why not raise the turn to charge oesds, flush draws and prevent giving a free card to random pairs+gutshots (AK has 7 outs/AQ has 8)

also, theres a chance villain folds a better hand if your image is right since 98 got there

Re: turn decision
 

id usually call one more time without a strong read