Fold KK preflop?
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$5/$10 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

gamble4you: $3,013.75
Hero: $2,391.00
Doctor_Fun: $1,112.00
babayaro: $1,000.00
sasson79: $1,260.00
Storkdelamork: $1,995.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Doctor_Fun folds, babayaro folds, sasson79 calls $10.00, <font color="red">Storkdelamork raises to $45.00</font>, gamble4you calls $40.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $200.00</font>, <font color="red">sasson79 raises all-in to $1,260.00</font>, Storkdelamork folds, gamble4you folds

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Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$2/$4 Blinds
5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SunTzuReps: $983.70
Colombo218: $514.40
gambler2k4: $495.50
smart_aces: $818.20
Hero: $708.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
gambler2k4 folds, smart_aces calls $4.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, <font color="red">SunTzuReps raises to $76.00</font>, Colombo218 folds, <font color="red">smart_aces raises to $132.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $188.00</font>, SunTzuReps folds, <font color="red">smart_aces raises all-in to $818.20</font>

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

1. No.

2. Maybe (but still no).

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

1. never, it looks like you're squeezing and he might push a wide range

2. why are you minraising? I'm not folding here even though maybe you could

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

Ok, I personally think folding pocket K, preflop is a big no no. You rarely will ever have some1 else holding AA. But if they do, well they do. But also, you are going to hit trips once in a while. So folding is a big big no no.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

LOL @ foldig KK preflop for about 100 bb ever.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

meh, i'd fold to a limp 4bet/6bet shove but WTF is w/ the 5 bet min raise

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

hand 1 snap call.

and wtf are you min raising for in hand 2

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

1) no (unless his pfr is tiny over a large sample, or you've seen him do this before with aces)

2) maybe, depends on stats

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

I need reads on those players.
Hand 2 actually looks like AA anyway.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

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1. No.

2. Maybe (but still no).

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Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

Villain in hand 2 was 37/9/1.5 and fishy

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

Sorry about not giving reads. In #1 villain is like 33/3 over a hundred hands, and fishy. In #2, villain is as Columbo said, 40/10-ish, again over a small sample size, 100 hands or so.

Also, I knew there was another one I wanted to post. (It was on one of those funky named tables and wasn't showing with my filter preferences till I session-converted to 6-max.) Villain in this hand is a huge fish, like 65/18, and about half of his PFRs are min-raises.

#3
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$3/$6 Blinds
4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero: $1,224.40
IlostMyLeg: $588.00
Dodolly: $1,049.40
Cutie Pie12: $745.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Dodolly raises to $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Cutie Pie12 raises to $45.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $144.00</font>, IlostMyLeg folds, <font color="red">Dodolly raises to $243.00</font>, Cutie Pie12 folds

This one is a little bit different because I'm not facing an all-in, so I have the option of just calling and stacking off on boards with no A or Q, rather than just shoving in another 130bb now.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

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1. No.

2. Maybe (but still no).

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Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

id shove in the 3rd one. even on an A high flop you won't necessarily want to fold because chances are he has AA or [censored], and when the A flops i'm starting to think he has some [censored]. id rather not have to second guess myself in an 80 bb pot and over 100 bb behind. worse hands can call if you shove

Results
 

#1 AA
#2 folded
#3 shoved, AA

There was an internal struggle within me during these hands. Part of me was saying "HYCHACHACHA, there is no [censored] way anyone can limp/4-bet (or minraise 5-bet), two separate raisers without AA". Another part of me was saying "wooooo KK raiseraiseraise". Another part was saying "If you posted fold KK preflop, 2+2 will laugh at you."

I'm still conflicted. I mean, I will see short stacks take dumb lines like the hands in this post with 99, but when it's &gt;120bb, I just don't recall seeing it. Is there some math we can fall back on? Like, what % of the time does the min 5-bet need to be AA for a fold to be correct or something.

Re: Results
 

run better, post less

Re: Results
 

hard to laugh at you for folding #2

Re: Results
 

#3 dodolly is fkn terrible. i'd just be looking for the best way to stack him, never looking to fold there.

Re: Results
 

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hard to laugh at you for folding #2

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Esp being 175+ BB deep and with the Limp/RR line that villain took.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

no

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

i can see folding hand 2 and 3. hand 1 is like never.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

1. No way in hell.

2. Maybe, but prolly not.

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

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hand 1 snap call.

and wtf are you min raising for in hand 2

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Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

After looking at the hand history, I can tell you that I had the ace of diamonds in hand 2.

Hope that helps.
=)

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

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After looking at the hand history, I can tell you that I had the ace of diamonds in hand 2.

Hope that helps.
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haha so cruel

Re: Fold KK preflop?
 

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LOL @ foldig KK preflop for about 100 bb ever.

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