[NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
Villain is a solid 27/17/1.67, maybe a little passiv.
I am playing very nitty. I call PF to set mine, of course, and I hit a beautiful board. But his 3 bets, so deep is soooo scary : - overset (99/TT) ? - big PP who wants to know where he is (but so deep [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] ) ? - semi bluff with a draw ? QJs/78s ? - AIR ? Can I fold, must I 4 bets, just call ? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> SB ($67.60) BB ($55.40) <font color="#C00000">UTG ($728.05)</font> MP ($441.95) CO ($191.70) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($561.40)</font> Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: ($19) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $36</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $89</font>, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] ? |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
you call here about 100% of the time, if you wanna fold here, please fold preflop..
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
Call, get it in on the turn OR Fold-PF
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
Love the set-miners who get scared when they flop sets.
You basically min-raised the flop. And now you are surprised that he's 3-betting you? Your line looks ridic. full of [censored] and he could be bluffing here a lot. You should be capable of raising a flop like this with air this deep, and he should know this. If you aren't capable of that, then you aren't really exploiting your positional advantage enough -- it should be scary as [censored] for him to play OOP this deep. |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
do not raise this flop if you aren't getting it in, but for [censored] sake GET IT IN!!! id probably just call here and stackoff on turn
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
raise bigger on the flop.
call. i think 4-betting over reps our hand. |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
as others have said, raise more on the flop and call the 3bet. i don't know why you'd want to fold. all the things you think might be in his range (air, 78/qj, overpair, set) are in his range, so you definitely have enough equity to continue.
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
call and look to get it in on the tun
NIT! |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
Lol you are probably [censored] here.
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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Call, get it in on the turn OR Fold-PF [/ QUOTE ] nope, the two events are not related |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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do not raise this flop if you aren't getting it in, but for [censored] sake GET IT IN!!! id probably just call here and stackoff on turn [/ QUOTE ] you can def raise flop and not get it in. He 3bs sooo rarely |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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Lol you are probably [censored] here. [/ QUOTE ] yeah probably, but op's raise size was just so small. Have to at least call the flop |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
call shove turn?
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
So, I don't like a lot of answers : OMFG, I have a set, I am all-in, who don't consider how villain is playing and why he 3 bets the flop ; how is my image & the deep stakes...
I have a set OK, but why villain is not affraid ? My initial plan was to raise big A LOT of flop (all ?), because oop and so deep, villain will fold a lot of hands (probably AA-), especially to a second barrel on the turn. When I flop my set (great result), my goal was to not frighten villain. If I raise small the flop, bet 2/3 on the turn & the river, I could be easily paid by any overpair/TP type hand. If I raise big on this flop, he will fold a lot... That's a reversed pot control [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] ! And if the 280BB goes all-in on this flop/turn, I am behind 99 times/100. So, I call the flop raise with the intention to fold to a big turn bet from this guy. Obv call/raise if he bets small & obv bet if he checks. Result in white : <font color="white"> I hit my case 4 on the turn, and get in against 99 </font> Yeah, I am a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Result in white : <font color="white"> I hit my case 4 on the turn, and get in against 99 </font> Yeah, I am a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] lol, villain beats nothing on a turn 4 if you're both getting it in. |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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[ QUOTE ] Result in white : <font color="white"> I hit my case 4 on the turn, and get in against 99 </font> Yeah, I am a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] lol, villain beats nothing on a turn 4 if you're both getting it in. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, he should definitely check/fold. lol |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
this thread has been done before...
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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this thread has been done before... zzzzzzzzzzzzz [/ QUOTE ] stop lying ike. we all know these are ur favorites |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Result in white : <font color="white"> I hit my case 4 on the turn, and get in against 99 </font> Yeah, I am a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] lol, villain beats nothing on a turn 4 if you're both getting it in. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, he should definitely check/fold. lol [/ QUOTE ] Did you see they are 3 buyins deep and villain is described as 'solid'? |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
yeah solid 27/17 player lol
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
280BB is not super deep ^^
I think there are alot of hands that 3bet you on the flop that you are ahead of besides sets. Many players here could be doing with big pair // top 2. So calling the 3bet on flop should be no-brainer. Whats interesting if you don't get your quads on the turn do you still stack off. IMO you should be getting this in on almost any turn. |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
he can have T9s too, and he's stacking off with KK-AA a non-zero% of the time
not to mention air/draws call get it in on turn |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
your flop raise is horrible.
call 3b, shove turn |
Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
i think he has an overpair/ T9s just as often as a set here.
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
raise a lot mor on flop too
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
ye u gotta call (and try to get as much money in on the turn and river) villain could be holding plenty of hands in this situation other than overset. what more, I would not consider his 3bet deep at all given the pot odds ur getting and the stacks still remaining
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Re: [NL200] Bottom set 280BB deep vs 3 bet on flop. I want to fold.
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[ QUOTE ] Result in white : <font color="white"> I hit my case 4 on the turn, and get in against 99 </font> Yeah, I am a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] lol, villain beats nothing on a turn 4 if you're both getting it in. [/ QUOTE ] lol |
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