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ShawnHoo 10-17-2007 01:52 PM

Comm 40: Standard?
 
Good must-move game yesterday. Guy who plays every hand but never raises raises UTG, 3 callers, I call on the button with KhQh, blinds call.

Flop: Kd9d3h

Checked to PFR who bets, 2 callers, I call, SB calls.

Turn: 3c

Check, PFR checks, first caller checks. The guy to my right, who is a solid/aggressive player who (I think) plays higher, bets out. I raise(???). SB folds, PFR sighs and calls, fold, guy to my right calls.

River: blank

PFR checks, guy to my right checks, I bet.

gaming_mouse 10-17-2007 01:57 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
turn raise = ofc

I like raising the flop too, though am less sure of that

Hass 10-17-2007 02:03 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
I do believe that raising the flop makes this much easier to play on the big streets. As played I think you have the best hand here more often than not, although the guy that never raised worries me a little by cold calling the turn.

brick 10-17-2007 02:13 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
The PFR probably has a diamond draw or QQ/JJ/TT and wants to light $160 on fire.

andyfox 10-17-2007 03:06 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
Perfect.

Did you finish second or third?

mongidig 10-17-2007 03:10 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
This is how I would play it.

For those advocating raising the flop; I am curious why you think this would have been better?

stinkypete 10-17-2007 03:11 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
looks good to me. the river is closeish and i probably wouldn't valuebet against utg alone, but you always have the guy on your right beat unless he has exactly KQ, and there's way too much value to be had. i only expect to win a little more than half the time so it's thin but you gotta bet it. you're getting checkraised never.

surfdoc 10-17-2007 04:04 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
very nice.

goofball 10-17-2007 04:14 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
Is PFR the type to cold-call the turn here with QQ or whatever? If not then he has to have you beat.

private joker 10-17-2007 04:23 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
Yeah, once the PFR sighs and calls, I think I'm done being the aggressor in the hand. I'd probably take a free showdown here on the river. PF, flop, and turn are all good.

that_pope 10-17-2007 04:33 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
So is it our thought then that the sigh = AK or AA, thinking he is behind, but not wanting to fold?

mongidig 10-17-2007 05:23 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
His sigh could mean that he has AA or AK and is angry at himslef for checking the turn and now having to call two cold. Or he may be the type who simply cannot let go of a big pair. Or he has a flush draw and has to call two cold not ending the action.

It would be strange for him to check the turn with a hand that has you beat. The pot is big, you may get two calls because of this and you probably are not going to get raised. I like the bet on the end.

private joker 10-17-2007 05:26 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
The sigh doesn't mean "I have to pay for a big draw," (those turn cold-calls are done quickly with anticipation) it means "I have to call down even though some jackass probably has a 3." Therefore I expect to see some kind of AA or AK.

mongidig 10-17-2007 06:17 PM

Re: Comm 40: Standard?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The sigh doesn't mean "I have to pay for a big draw," (those turn cold-calls are done quickly with anticipation) it means "I have to call down even though some jackass probably has a 3." Therefore I expect to see some kind of AA or AK.

[/ QUOTE ]

You are probably right. I just can't get past the fact that he checked the turn with one of those hands, but it does happen. I would have to be there. I think he could be sighing with a big draw since he may think he is drawing dead to a boat.


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