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ProWannabe10 11-30-2007 05:28 AM

5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
I have never posted a badbeat but I feel obligated due the the nature of donkeyness. The game is 2/5 NL Hold em (very deep stacks). I am on button with 5 4 os and call straddle for $10, SB raises and makes it $40. One limper calls and I call. Flop 6 3 2 rainbow. (flopped str8). Preflop raiser bets $30, limper folds I raise to $80. I get Re-raised to $230, I make 4th bet of $450, donkey shoves for $3,000 with AA. I insta-call my $1600 stack. Turn Ace, River 6 for the biggest pot and worst beat of my life. Thats Poker!! I'm not sure if did anything wrong with my betting but gotta love getting a donkey putting his money in that bad.

highsteptd 11-30-2007 05:29 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
fold pf

bottomset 11-30-2007 05:32 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
so what exactly did you want to shove in that spot again?

also lol at your tiny raises

nath 11-30-2007 05:59 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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raise pf

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yeotaJMU 11-30-2007 06:12 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
hmm today i had AA on the button there was some limpers and i raised and BB called. flop was 6 3 4 BB checked i bet BB raised i shove BB calls w 25. online poker must be rigged this is proof.

chopsticks 11-30-2007 06:25 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
Start using pattern mapper so you can avoid these situations.

Quagmyer 11-30-2007 06:33 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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fold pf

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Moovyz 11-30-2007 06:39 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
What are you doing playing 4,5 offsuit preflop for a raise???

In defense of the other guy, he certainly doesn't expect someone to be playing 4,5 offsuit preflop for a raise. I'd feel pretty solid with Aces with that flop. He likely thought you were on an under pair at best and a small set at worst. And with your raises, it's not the donk move you like to think it is!

KingofJ 11-30-2007 06:46 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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What are you doing playing 4,5 offsuit preflop for a raise???

In defense of the other guy, he certainly doesn't expect someone to be playing 4,5 offsuit preflop for a raise. I'd feel pretty solid with Aces with that flop. He likely thought you were on an under pair at best and a small set at worst. And with your raises, it's not the donk move you like to think it is!

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I don't know if your being serious or not but when you get 4bet on that flop with aces you muck your hand every time. Ask yourself what could you actually beat that OP is 4betting with. It's more likely he has a small pair and has flopped a set then having 5 4 for sure, but LOL at your analysis.

ProWannabe10 11-30-2007 07:06 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
I think you misunderstood...I did not have aces, I called a raise on button with deep stacks with 54 offsuit.

ProWannabe10 11-30-2007 07:14 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
Anyone have any suggestions how else I could have bet after he bet $30 into $100 pot on the flop of 632 rainbow. I have the button and flopped the nut straight with 54 os. We are both very deep for a 2/5 game, I have 1600 and he has me well covered.

jmremote 11-30-2007 10:06 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
wtf, you got it all in ahead by a lot, what more do you want? Did you want him to fold? no! you got unlucky, seems to happen a lot in poker with the billions of hands played.

Astyanax 11-30-2007 11:23 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
you obv played it fine getting it in like 97%. I would say that if the money means so much to you (it would to me) you should have offered him a private deal for insurance.

Like give him $400 back and tell him to concede his hand, or get insurance off a bigger high roller but a) he probs never agrees to it as he is obv reeeeeeech and b) the casino might not allow it.

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Lori 11-30-2007 11:47 AM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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Anyone have any suggestions how else I could have bet after he bet $30 into $100 pot on the flop of 632 rainbow. I have the button and flopped the nut straight with 54 os. We are both very deep for a 2/5 game, I have 1600 and he has me well covered.

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You should probably push and tell him what you have, either that or move up to where they respect your raises.

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Nonfiction 11-30-2007 12:58 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
everyone who has registered and posted in bbv in the last 2 months is either a gimmick or a complete retard

SkeetyMcdoogle 11-30-2007 01:01 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
(flopped str8)

SamuraiJon 11-30-2007 02:41 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
standard runners... Welcome to the club live player. This happens to us multi tablers daily.

SNOWBALL 11-30-2007 02:46 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
Do they allow running it more than once? I dunno where this was, but I know they let you run it more than once at the venetian.

ImsaKidd 11-30-2007 02:49 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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Anyone have any suggestions how else I could have bet after he bet $30 into $100 pot on the flop of 632 rainbow. I have the button and flopped the nut straight with 54 os. We are both very deep for a 2/5 game, I have 1600 and he has me well covered.

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After his weak lead of 30 into 100 he had to be representing a hand way better than your straight.

I might peel one card off to see what happens. But if the turn comes like an offsuit K you really have to fold, too big of a chance you are way behind.

ImsaKidd 11-30-2007 02:50 PM

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standard runners... Welcome to the club live player. This happens to us multi tablers daily.

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wtf how are u multitabling live i wanna do that

Moovyz 11-30-2007 03:34 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
I am being serious, at least the part of playing 4,5 off preflop for a raise.


As far as getting 4 bet with the aces, sure he "should" fold the aces but he's a donk, and there are plenty of 4-5 bets out there with inferiors hands to aces. I'm posting in another thread here where the OP is 3-4 betting suited middle connectors, OOP and all-in pre-flop.

There's a very real possibility that the guy with aces is putting him on KK or QQ (as well as a small set, but he's in pretty deep at that point). It would be hard for the guy with aces to put him on the str8.


But all that being said, it's just a bad beat. If the OP doesn't like it, stop playing 4,5 off preflop. Otherwise be happy you got all your money in with the best. 90% of the time, he doubles up!

ttgirl 11-30-2007 03:43 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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I am being serious, at least the part of playing 4,5 off preflop for a raise.


As far as getting 4 bet with the aces, sure he "should" fold the aces but he's a donk, and there are plenty of 4-5 bets out there with inferiors hands to aces. I'm posting in another thread here where the OP is 3-4 betting suited middle connectors, OOP and all-in pre-flop.

There's a very real possibility that the guy with aces is putting him on KK or QQ (as well as a small set, but he's in pretty deep at that point). It would be hard for the guy with aces to put him on the str8.


But all that being said, it's just a bad beat. If the OP doesn't like it, stop playing 4,5 off preflop. Otherwise be happy you got all your money in with the best. 90% of the time, he doubles up!

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this is either the worst level or worst strat post ive ever read. i cant decide which

AmonRaa 11-30-2007 04:59 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
When turn came you should stop the dealer and make a deal. It's obvious the board will pair.

Georgia Avenue 11-30-2007 05:03 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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I am being serious, at least the part of playing 4,5 off preflop for a raise.


As far as getting 4 bet with the aces, sure he "should" fold the aces but he's a donk, and there are plenty of 4-5 bets out there with inferiors hands to aces. I'm posting in another thread here where the OP is 3-4 betting suited middle connectors, OOP and all-in pre-flop.

There's a very real possibility that the guy with aces is putting him on KK or QQ (as well as a small set, but he's in pretty deep at that point). It would be hard for the guy with aces to put him on the str8.


But all that being said, it's just a bad beat. If the OP doesn't like it, stop playing 4,5 off preflop. Otherwise be happy you got all your money in with the best. 90% of the time, he doubles up!

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I love you.

ImsaKidd 11-30-2007 05:04 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
I think you can find a better spot to get your money in, I would fold. Heres some math to back it up.

Board: 6c 3h 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 03.283% 02.83% 00.45% 28 4.50 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 96.717% 96.26% 00.45% 953 4.50 { 5h4c }



Board: 4h 4s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 00.101% 00.10% 00.00% 1 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 99.899% 99.90% 00.00% 989 0.00 { 5h4c }

Nichlemn 11-30-2007 07:38 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
Fold flop, he has the nuts with a redraw.

bsheck 11-30-2007 07:41 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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Fold flop, he has the nuts with a redraw.

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Yeah, this cannot be stressed enough. You had zero outs to improve, so essentially you were drawing dead.

Hattifnatt 11-30-2007 07:44 PM

Re: 5-bet flop 632 w/ AA a good idea?
 
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Flop 6 3 2 rainbow. (flopped str8)

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