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JDalla 11-08-2007 12:42 AM

Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Villian is Reshef, one the most successful 10/20 players on stars.

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB :#A500AF(Reshef )/ calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Reshef checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Reshef raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Reshef caps</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Reshef bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Reshef bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results:
Reshef has Kd 6d (flush, king high).
Hero has Qs Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Reshef wins 13.75 BB.

I personally think this is awful, and I always thought capping flush draws OOP was just a fishy move. But Reshef I know has been very successful in 10/20, and when I commented in the chat:

Me: what was that? Trying to shut out the third player?
Reshef: obv, over played poker before?


Am I on crack or is his play horrendous? He's shutting out a player when he has only K hi, and then when he hits his flush I shut down with top set. Seems terrible to me :/

vmacosta 11-08-2007 12:59 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]

Me: what was that? Trying to shut out the third player?
Reshef: obv, over played poker before?


[/ QUOTE ]

freudian slip on one of your parts or clever pun?

milesdyson 11-08-2007 01:05 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
i never played the guy but a bunch of stars regs say he's a spew artist. is he really a big winner at 10/20 there? i heard he loses/breaks even in large samples and likely just earns through supernova bonuses.

preflop is lol. the flop c/r in the first place isn't awful for a normal player as maybe you fold AT/AJ/AK somewhere down the line. but w/ his image it's probably pretty dumb to c/r there. the cap is just flat out awesome strong arm poker.

STRONG ARM POKER. GO MORE BETS, HIT MORE DRAWS.

milesdyson 11-08-2007 01:07 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
his nickname is respew

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 01:09 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Reshef, one the most successful 10/20 players on stars

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huh?

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 01:11 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Me: what was that? Trying to shut out the third player?
Reshef: obv, over played poker before?


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freudian slip on one of your parts or clever pun?

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I really hope reshef actually said that, cuz that is totally lol

JDalla 11-08-2007 01:16 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Reshef, one the most successful 10/20 players on stars

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huh?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...&amp;PHPSESSID=

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 01:20 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
hm , didnt remember seeing him on that list lol, just remember smaller samples with his crazy ass stats...

1700BB heater? i duno dudes a [censored] anomoly

JDalla 11-08-2007 01:21 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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Me: what was that? Trying to shut out the third player?
Reshef: obv, over played poker before?


[/ QUOTE ]

freudian slip on one of your parts or clever pun?

[/ QUOTE ]
I really hope reshef actually said that, cuz that is totally lol

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typo my bad

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 01:38 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Reshef, one the most successful 10/20 players on stars

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huh?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...&amp;PHPSESSID=

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I hope bluffman does that list again soon, I think I'd make the 30 list [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Heisenb3rg 11-08-2007 03:02 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
There was another thread about reshef before by pokerbob...

He plays terrible frequently.. I can bust out 10 hands right now where he spews horrendously that would make anyone lol.

FWIW the flop cap is fine for image purposes... But if he knows how you play, once you 3-bet that flop he's not taking the pot down EVER.

If I get requests I can post some...

He must be doing something really well though if hes a big winner in these games despite his terrible spews... I certiantly havent been able to figure it out...

Heisenb3rg 11-08-2007 03:34 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Ah screw it, these are fun... (fwiw ive spewed pretty hard before at people so I bet a similar thread can be made about me).

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (17SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (19BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: 19BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Ac As</font>
Reshef (button) mucked [Ah Kh]


Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.5BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Tc Th</font>
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed Jh Ah</font>



Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11.75BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13.75BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Qc Ah</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG mucks 9h Kh</font>



Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Results:
Final pot: 11.25BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed As Tc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">CO mucks Ks 2s</font>


Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (11BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Ad Qc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">BB mucks Qd 8d</font>



Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.25BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Kd Kh</font>
<font color="#ffffff">BB mucks Ts Tc</font>

PokerBob 11-08-2007 07:21 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
reshef is an idiot.

surfdoc 11-08-2007 07:23 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
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Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A T
2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2 A A (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: T (3.25BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: 6 (11.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Results:
Final pot: 11.25BB
Hero showed As Tc
CO mucks Ks 2s


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This one is the winner by far. Blows me away that guys like tha can win.

PokerBob 11-08-2007 07:46 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
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There was another thread about reshef before by pokerbob...


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PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: PokerBob is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, PokerBob calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, PokerBob calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has 9c 8c (flush, king high).
PokerBob has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP wins 12.75 BB. </font>

this line is pretty common and simply atrocious. if i have a hand that i can bet the turn with, it is one i am never folding ever in a million years.

instead of merely calling the turn and then donking a river club or check/raising one of the 3 non-club 8s, this retard commits himself to barrelling off 3 bets with what the vast majority of the time is gonna be 9-high. this play loses money.

vmacosta 11-08-2007 10:45 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
i don't get you guys. do you want me to post my best spews *in the past few months*? Cuz they make those ones look like little schoolgirl hands.

Spewing like that is never a good idea but it hardly means you can't win when you're getting 350 hands/hr.

i have no idea if reshef wins or not, i just don't get why all the hate.

noles321 11-08-2007 10:55 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Just playing devils advocate. Assuming you don't have a set of queens doesn't his cap get you to check the turn which he can check behind if he chooses, and at the same time gets UTG to possibly fold a hand with a King that would increase his possible live outs. So essentially if you don't have a set here the cap costs 1/2 bet less than calling the 3 bet (assuming you check the turn to his cap) and then calling a turn bet UI... Just thinking out loud. Somebody please correct my thinking.

JDalla 11-08-2007 11:07 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
He is OOP on both of us. The cap/check play is pretty suspect I just might bet less that top set there!

JDalla 11-08-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
i don't get you guys. do you want me to post my best spews *in the past few months*? Cuz they make those ones look like little schoolgirl hands.

Spewing like that is never a good idea but it hardly means you can't win when you're getting 350 hands/hr.

i have no idea if reshef wins or not, i just don't get why all the hate.

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I agree, I have spews that look worse than those, but pretty much all HU or in blind battles where I think neither of us have a showdownable hand or something. (Usually I'm just being an idiot probably).

But this play wasn't such a situation... he was OOP on two players on a 6 man table, and defended his play afterwards. Kind of baffling to me.

noles321 11-08-2007 11:11 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
I misread it. I thought he had position on you.

mntbikr15 11-08-2007 11:21 AM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
These threads are EXACTLY why he wins

JDalla 11-08-2007 12:35 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
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These threads are EXACTLY why he wins

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huh?

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 12:36 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
These threads are EXACTLY why he wins

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yep, his image has certainly been advertised quite a bit, he must capitalize on that very well by inducing tilt and respewing from otherwise decent tags.

mntbikr15 11-08-2007 12:42 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Ok maybe I exaggerate a bit.

Threads like this get in your head and Id be willing to bet it affects everyones play V him.

It wouldnt suprise me if a bunch of people who knock him arent even up on him. And that isnt to take anything away from them as a player.

(I dont play Pstars nor have I ever played villain...at least afaik)

Heisenb3rg 11-08-2007 02:10 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
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It wouldnt suprise me if a bunch of people who knock him arent even up on him. And that isnt to take anything away from them as a player.


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http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/135/resheflt7.jpg

mntbikr15 11-08-2007 02:25 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Im confused.

Is that your biggest donators? Doesnt make sense then that a name is blocked out.

MitchL 11-08-2007 02:31 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Probably a 2p2er.

MitchL 11-08-2007 02:39 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
I have a couple of similar names at the top of my donators list and I consider both to be either breakeven or marginal winners.

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
lol, it could easily be me, considering the largish sample

mntbikr15 11-08-2007 02:57 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
Not to hard to determine

_Z_ 11-08-2007 04:05 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
I think Hero has a clear turn raise here. Am I wrong?

Z

geormiet 11-08-2007 05:20 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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There was another thread about reshef before by pokerbob...


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PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: PokerBob is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, PokerBob calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, PokerBob calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has 9c 8c (flush, king high).
PokerBob has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP wins 12.75 BB. </font>

this line is pretty common and simply atrocious. if i have a hand that i can bet the turn with, it is one i am never folding ever in a million years.

instead of merely calling the turn and then donking a river club or check/raising one of the 3 non-club 8s, this retard commits himself to barrelling off 3 bets with what the vast majority of the time is gonna be 9-high. this play loses money.

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gotta say I like how he played this. Huge draw, this is probably the best way to maximize folding equity, and I think there are hands people will bet the turn with that will fold on the turn or on the river.

PokerBob 11-08-2007 05:59 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
There was another thread about reshef before by pokerbob...


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PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: PokerBob is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob 3-bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">PokerBob bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, PokerBob calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, PokerBob calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has 9c 8c (flush, king high).
PokerBob has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP wins 12.75 BB. </font>

this line is pretty common and simply atrocious. if i have a hand that i can bet the turn with, it is one i am never folding ever in a million years.

instead of merely calling the turn and then donking a river club or check/raising one of the 3 non-club 8s, this retard commits himself to barrelling off 3 bets with what the vast majority of the time is gonna be 9-high. this play loses money.

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gotta say I like how he played this. Huge draw, this is probably the best way to maximize folding equity, and I think there are hands people will bet the turn with that will fold on the turn or on the river.

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I bet/3bet the flop. If I have a hand that can bet this turn, it is one that is showing down 100% of the time. There is 0 folding equity here. His hand is either 55, 66 or nothing.

If this line makes money, then online lhe is alive and well, cuz this play sucks.

Keepitsimple 11-08-2007 06:32 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
limit holdem is a farce etc

geormiet 11-08-2007 06:35 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
you would donk-3 bet the flop?

PokerBob 11-08-2007 06:36 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
[ QUOTE ]
you would donk-3 bet the flop?

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no. what gives you that impression?

geormiet 11-08-2007 06:38 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
you know in this particular 98s hand it doesn't matter how you spew, as long as you do spew.
I happen to think against a lot of online lags his line is the best.

donk - 3 bet flop reeks of draw to me. I guess if you are balancing by donk 3 betting sets as well in this spot its ok.

based on the other hands from this guy he does look bad though.

geormiet 11-08-2007 06:39 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
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you would donk-3 bet the flop?

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no. what gives you that impression?

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Oh i see, i thought you were saying "[if I were him] I bet 3b the flop."

Tryptamean 11-08-2007 07:23 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
are you reading the action right on pokerbob's hand, geormiet?

reshef c/r/c the flop, and c/r the turn...there is no donk/3b

geormiet 11-08-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Hand from villian\'s perspective (Reshef)
 
yes i think I am reading it right. if you read through the thread in order you'll see that I thought pokerb was advocating b3b flop.


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