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obiedman 07-09-2007 01:35 AM

But I never fold!
 
I don't really have any reads on villian except that he's minbet a couple times, and when his minbets have been raised, he's folded. Doesn't really do anything for this hand, except I guess give us the impression that he's a donk.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $694.00
BB: $172.70
UTG: $414.30
MP: $1,281.90
CO: $77.00
BTN: $497.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, BTN calls $4.00, Hero calls $2.00, BB checks

Flop: ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, BB calls $8.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $44.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $150.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $106.00

Turn: ($320) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $343.40</font>, Hero folds

catcher193 07-09-2007 01:36 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
id call, how much of his range is Axh?

jfish 07-09-2007 01:41 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
shrug i call.

Ship Ship McGipp 07-09-2007 01:41 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
this hand sucks on so many levels.

good fold.

this is a call if he's oop and shoves into you (but still close) or if there is a raise preflop.

i go broke really light in limped pots and i think it' sbad, enerally youre going to be looking at mandatorily going broke with K high flush obv, Q high probably, J high usually, and T high occasionally, 9 high rarely

craig1120 07-09-2007 01:52 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
This is a call

obiedman 07-09-2007 01:55 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
does anyone have any reasoning for calling other than OMG A FLUSH? some of the top posters have said call, but i'd like to hear your thoughts behind it.

craig1120 07-09-2007 02:03 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
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does anyone have any reasoning for calling other than OMG A FLUSH? some of the top posters have said call, but i'd like to hear your thoughts behind it.

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intuition and bet sizing

obiedman 07-09-2007 02:03 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
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id call, how much of his range is Axh?

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he was pretty much unknown to me, so your guess is as good as mine. Even if he's a donk, I think if he has a lone heart that he wants to draw to, it's gotta be a pretty big one... something like Kh or Qh, and I'm certain he would raise AK/AQ, and that was a big factor in my decision to fold

craig1120 07-09-2007 02:10 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
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id call, how much of his range is Axh?

[/ QUOTE ]I'm certain he would raise AK/AQ, and that was a big factor in my decision to fold

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I guess if you are certain of that then fold looks fine. It just looks like he doesn't want to see another heart. I would think a lone A or like Th8h or ThJh.

Whisper 07-09-2007 04:37 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
I dont like raising to 150 on the flop. Its a limped pot and your flush is not the nuts, so i think your pushing out a lot of hands you beat by doing this. That being said, im probebly stacking off here on the turn if no crap cards come. As played, I think you gotta fold it.

aislephive 07-09-2007 04:54 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
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shrug i call.

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Agreed.

Also, if we're beat, I expect to lose to better flushes and that's basically it. I think donks tend to slowplay here if they turned a boat, or perhaps bet small. But a slight overbet, eh I don't buy it.

Also we do beat a couple of reasonable flushes, although obviously most of them have us beat. But I think this is something like Ax T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a lot of the time. Plus we're getting 3-1 etc, I think folding is a mistake, particularly because of the "donk" factor. Against a reasonable player I like a fold, but I don't make these types of folds to irrational players.

paulnic 07-09-2007 06:37 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
anyone think he may have the str8 and be defending against another heart??

jlkrusty 07-09-2007 07:06 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
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anyone think he may have the str8 and be defending against another heart??

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A straight is possible. I don't think he has a boat very often since most people would bet less. A significant portion of his hands will be higher flushes, but enough of his hands make up Axh, lower flushes, and the straight that I would still call.

JackAll 07-09-2007 07:10 AM

Re: But I never fold!
 
jfish wrote:
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shrug i call.

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Really? Holy sh!t
Do you also 3-bet the flop in a limped pot?


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