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Josh. 07-30-2007 06:32 PM

bluff
 
never seen villain before and don't have a ton of hands on him, but he's 24/19/3.1. we haven't gotten into it much

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1,106.00
BB: $579.80
UTG: $426.00
MP: $216.20
CO: $382.00
Hero (BTN): $656.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $14.00, SB folds, BB calls $10.00

Flop: ($44) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 5http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $32.00</font>, Hero calls $32.00, BB folds

Turn: ($108) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $72.00</font>, Hero calls $72.00

River: ($252) 7http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $538.60 (about $300 to him) </font>

Pot Size: $252.00 ($3 Rake)

JKratzer 07-30-2007 06:33 PM

Re: bluff
 
looks good

trplthrt 07-30-2007 06:35 PM

Re: bluff
 
Agree

DJ Sensei 07-30-2007 07:06 PM

Re: bluff
 
hella standard. i was thinking about whether this is more +EV than checking behind, but i think it clearly is.


maybe if the turn was a lower heart instead, i'd prefer a checkbehind, but I think you need to get him off an ace much of the time here to win it, and you should have no problem doing that with a shove.

snakekilla88 07-30-2007 07:10 PM

Re: bluff
 
yep I like this

ahnuld 07-30-2007 07:14 PM

Re: bluff
 
I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

chisness 07-30-2007 07:15 PM

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I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

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Darkfolder 07-30-2007 07:17 PM

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I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

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I was thinking the same.

jackflashdrive 07-30-2007 07:18 PM

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so evil.

do you still push if he bets $71.99 on river, leaving about $200 behind?

tannenj 07-30-2007 07:18 PM

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I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

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Josh. 07-30-2007 07:18 PM

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I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

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that's a tough call to make with an A. all he really beats is a double float or a king turned bluff

Teh1337zor 07-30-2007 07:19 PM

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actually I kinda like it

berserk 07-30-2007 07:20 PM

Re: bluff
 
Since you probably take a more aggressive line with most flush draws i dont like it at all. Also, youre good a lot.

ahnuld 07-30-2007 07:21 PM

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I dont like this. You are good often enough, and im not convinced hes folding an A

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that's a tough call to make with an A. all he really beats is a double float or a king turned bluff

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yeah but people are [censored] retarded and call with the AAK77 all the time assuming a split like 90% of the time even though that isnt true.

ahnuld 07-30-2007 07:23 PM

Re: bluff
 
opps. When I posted the converter or my browser wasnt working and I couldnt see the flush get there. I just saw you missed your flush draw and assumed the other cards were rainbow since I couldnt see any suits other than hearts assigned to the cards. Disregard my posts

DrMagic 07-31-2007 09:16 AM

Re: bluff
 
I like this. Wp

Moonshine 07-31-2007 11:19 AM

Re: bluff
 
This is good. It's hard to put you on a bluff from his perspective unless you turned a made hand into a bluff, which he would prob expect you to check behind on the river. I dont think there's anyway an Ace calls this

jfish 07-31-2007 11:21 AM

Re: bluff
 
what everybody but ahnuld said.

Chaostracize 07-31-2007 11:38 AM

Re: bluff
 
Hm

When you call the turn, how often do you have a flush draw there? Ever?

Isn't this also a good turn for the flop bettor to be betting a draw, since there's a good chance you have a weak K/mid pp/flush draw and he can use the added power of the A to get it off?

I'm not convinced that you're up against an A here at all, and I think checking through has a ton more +ev.

The only hand that you could legitimately is the A high nfd turned top pair rivered flush, and I think you can be expected to put more action in on the flop with that hand, anyway.

I think you'll get looked up more out of confusion with an A, and when you don't get looked up I think you were ahead anyway.

Edit: Thinking more, I think the most likely holding is another K, in which case, I think a regular PSB or 3/4 pot bet should work fine. I don't think you need an "extra" support in this specific hand to push a K out.

minnesotasam 07-31-2007 11:47 AM

Re: bluff
 
I like.

lauren t 07-31-2007 11:48 AM

Re: bluff
 
i dont like this w/board pairing


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