river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

whitelime told me to postr this hand, and i am obeying.

button is slothr0p, tightish TAG and big winner... im not sure if hes ever played w/ me under my new sn so his read on me should be minimal...
whats your river play? obviously comments on how to react to various bets/raises if u do something other than push is pretty necessary...

i dont see any point i discussing the flop/turn... flop, sometimes i check somtimes i bet. turn, sometimes i check sometimes i bet... but if u like feel free to comment on any streets, obv the river is the intersting (mb?) spot.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) converter

Hero ($2040)
BB ($4192)
UTG ($2127)
MP ($1979)
CO ($8222.63)
Button ($1940)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $195</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $140.

Flop: ($430) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $375</font>, Button calls $375.

Turn: ($1180) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($1180) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

He isn't calling your raise with a mid Q is he?

I can't see 10s-JJs calling a bet here, I would check and see what he bets (I'd be a little surprised if he did).

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

tough to put him on a hand. i don't think he pays off if you bet, but i don't think he bets either if you check. i guess i check and give him the chance to stab at it, however seldom that might be.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

I check because you are an unkown to him. If you had an image of a very aggressive tricky player this would be an easy value push.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

Check-fold, the only hand you really beat is aq or maybe qj or q10 and he'll check those behind on the river.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

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Check-fold, the only hand you really beat is aq or maybe qj or q10 and he'll check those behind on the river.

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Pretty sure this is a bad way of thinking about things.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

HEEEEELL YES haha

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

1) Although you should do it sometimes, it's not mandatory to reraise pre with AK even against a button steal in 6-max as opposed to 3 or 4 handed where it is more necessary.

2) If you are going to reraise OOP with AK or other hands, then raise bigger than 3x (4-6x) so that you will know how big a hand he really has.

3) If you had AA/KK in that spot, would you have checked the turn? If not, then should know you have JJ/TT/AK.

4) River=WAWB

5) Goodie54 should be along shortly to add other comments.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

deleted.

joke was already used in other thread.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

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4) River=WAWB


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River is not way ahead way behind. You are either ahead or you are behind. Saying WAWB on river makes no sense.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

this is for sure a value bet - he might look you up with a queen, and if he doesn't he would have checked most queens behind anyway

anything stronger than you would have bet the turn on this board, in most cases

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

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Check-fold, the only hand you really beat is aq or maybe qj or q10 and he'll check those behind on the river.

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Pretty sure this is a bad way of thinking about things.

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I don't think check/fold is bad at all. Most of the good regulars will instacheck a Q or weaker if you check, and most of the time will not call a river bet with something weaker than a K.

However, since it's a button steal situation, he's more likely to pay off with a Q and maybe even an underpair. I like 1/2- or 2/3-pot.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

The way the action in this hand was played you are winning against any holding he has, only hand you are losing to is Qs full or quad 8s.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

How is he not losing to KQ? With position, I can definately see him calling that 3-bet preflop.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

KK, AA, KQ come to mind.

Re: river TP, do i have a VB? party 2k6m.
 

i feel like you should bet this river more often than not. hes got something but you dont know what. checking river wont help you and will make you more prone to call a bet and if hes aggro in the least you WILL be faced with that decision. if you bet and get raised i feel like you can throw this hand away more often than if you check and call. you certainly dont want to stack off with a rivered one pair here so keep it cheap and call it a block bet if you will.