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ajmargarine 12-06-2006 02:28 PM

Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Assume full stacks at a NL50 table. Hero just sat down and has no reads. Do you CB in these spots?

If you don't CB a hand, why not?

H1

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H2

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H3

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H4

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H5

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...

H6

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H7

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero...

H8

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.75, 3 players)
Hero...

Abramovic 12-06-2006 02:30 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes

That was easy.

ajmargarine 12-06-2006 02:31 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes

That was easy.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is incorrect.

Abramovic 12-06-2006 02:32 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Ok, 8 possibly not, I hate being OOP. And possibly not 5. I might want the free draw. If im in a good mood, theyre all being bet.

MadMat 12-06-2006 02:33 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
heads up and in position I'm betting all of them, although I wouldn't always call it a CB, Hand 4 for instance, with the flushdraw and 2 overs I'd not be unhappy at getting called! and really hoping for the 2 or 6 of hearts to come on turn!

Mat

4_2_it 12-06-2006 02:35 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
AJ,

Nicley done. I'll definitely c-bet 4 of them. Definitely check two and the other two it depends on my mood.

I'll leave it to others to elaborate further [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

4_2_it 12-06-2006 02:36 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
heads up and in position I'm betting all of them,


[/ QUOTE ]

This isn't the case in all of them, which is what makes it tougher.

Sir Winalot 12-06-2006 02:37 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) 50/50
4) Yes
5) No - too many villains, and I can take a free card
6) Yes
7) 50/50
8) Yes

mosuavea 12-06-2006 02:37 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Lets see if I can still play a little. Old man, please scould me, I can always use the help:

H1: Yes
H2: Yes
H3: yes
H4: yes
H5: Without reads I think no, but if I thought I might get to the river for free then yes.
H6: No, horrible board, youre splitting here if you do hit your straight
H7: No, but if it was HU then I would
H8:I lean towards no. 3 clean outs to your str8, draw heavy board and 2 callers. Could be messy on the turn.

*Disclaimer: I reserve the right to rethink this and change my answers [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

martijn 12-06-2006 02:37 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
all but 5 and 8

MadMat 12-06-2006 02:41 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
heads up and in position I'm betting all of them,


[/ QUOTE ]

This isn't the case in all of them, which is what makes it tougher.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ooops, didn't see that, maybe I shouldn't be posting from work [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mat

kbrat 12-06-2006 02:49 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Yes/no - I do either depending on how i'm feeling it at the time.
2. Yes
3. No - No one is going to call with a worse hand &amp; hero will have to check turn OOP bad bad bad
4. Yes
5. Yes - check turn
6. Yes
7. No (weak) someone may have a made flush, if someone calls no idea if he has a Q or a single spade and if i can bet for value on turn.
8. No - 2 villains yet to act that have lots of holdings that hit the flop.

Waingro 12-06-2006 02:50 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. always
2. always
3. pretty often
4. always
5. I think I check behind here more often than not. A lot of turncards is good for our hand.
6. cb
7. check. so many random hands have huge equity vs our hand
8. just give up, this flop hit so many different hands

xGREGORx 12-06-2006 02:52 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
I'm a FR'er, so FWIW....

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES
4. NO - because vs 2 villians and my position sucks being sandwiched between them on the flop action
5. YES
6. YES
7. YES
8. NO - 2 villians and I'm OOP versus both of them

EDIT: i'm 50:50 on #4

Antinome 12-06-2006 03:01 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
H1

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero... bets 3.75

K high flops are great for cbetting, because people don't play Kx much. This one may require a second barrel if it looks like he's drawing.

H2

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero... bets 2.25. This is a flop that looks like it missed him. I'll represent 99.

H3

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero... easiest cbet evar. 4 dolla. They always put you on AK.

H4

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero... 4.50, reraise me at your peril, cause I'm pushing.

H5

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero... depends on villians. This doesn't look like a flop that would hit me, but I could hit a gutshot and stack a slowplayed set or something. OTOH it probably missed villians too.... I check.

H6

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero... bets 4. They always put you on AK. I like my hand and may call a reraise, depending on stacks.

H7

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero... I've got to bet big or go home. 50-50.
H8

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.75, 3 players)
Hero... OOP, I'm giving up on this one.

Archon_Wing 12-06-2006 03:08 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
5 no, multiway and my hand isn't very good but I have a draw. I should just check and try to peel one off. Not looking for fold equity. I just want my straight to be paid off if i get it.

8 no, oop multiway, and this kind of flop isn't too great except for my gutshot, but I'll probaly be pushed off regardless if either villian has a piece

p.s. No.7 I like to cont bet a lot, because this flop is actualy one that a lot of people, even the worst ones, are afraid of. Of course if someone calls, I pretty much know it's over.

rvg72 12-06-2006 03:09 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Great analysis Antinome. I agree btw.

kitaristi0 12-06-2006 03:10 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Check 6-8, occasionally check 5, occasionally check 2, occasionally check 1.

Ra_ 12-06-2006 03:12 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1-5 I definatly bet.

6. I think is pretty close, readless i check behind. If I had a better read as how he played draws vs. made hands, I would bet

7. I like a check here to pick up information and to take a safe card. If you bet and button has As hes probabaly taking this pot from you.

8. I think this is an easy check, lots of hands will call your c-bet, and even if you hit an A or K on turn it could just cost you more.

KurtSF 12-06-2006 03:13 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Assume full stacks at a NL50 table. Hero just sat down and has no reads. Do you CB in these spots?

If you don't CB a hand, why not?

H1

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes. God only knows what SB has, and there is a terrific chance I win the pot right here.

[ QUOTE ]
H2

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Depends. With such a weak hand I'm liable to give this up after whiffing the flop, but the pair on the board makes it a bit tempting. Read dependant, but w/o reads I'd say 40% cbet.

[ QUOTE ]
H3

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

No. I'm done with this hand.

[ QUOTE ]
H4

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

No I don't cbet... I bet for value! Looks to me like as many as 18 outs. I'm jamming this.

[ QUOTE ]
H5

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmmmm, my instincts say yes. Probably spew, eh?

[ QUOTE ]
H6

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Bet for value. Decent chance you have the best hand, and if you don't you have a lot of outs (~9).

[ QUOTE ]
H7

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Yuck. Bet it big, reevaluate.

[ QUOTE ]
H8

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.75, 3 players)
Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, c-bet.

I'm a NL noob, if anyone want to comment on my comments, the criticism is welcomed.

Ra_ 12-06-2006 03:14 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
4. NO - because vs 2 villians and my position sucks being sandwiched between them on the flop action

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you realize you have a SD+FD+2 overs?

derosnec 12-06-2006 03:15 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. No (remove either the Q or 9, and then it is a "Yes")
8. No

xGREGORx 12-06-2006 03:17 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm a FR'er, so FWIW....

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES
4. NO - because vs 2 villians and my position sucks being sandwiched between them on the flop action
5. YES
6. YES
7. YES
8. NO - 2 villians and I'm OOP versus both of them

EDIT: i'm 50:50 on #4

[/ QUOTE ]

after reading some of the other posts, I'm really doubting myself on #4. Is this because I'm a FR'er and everyone is answering from a 6max perspective or am I just too much of a nit regardless? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

kitaristi0 12-06-2006 03:18 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
KurtSF,

H6 - You say you're betting for value. I'm not saying that betting is necesarily wrong, but what worse hands are you getting value from by betting?

bsheck 12-06-2006 03:20 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
H1: Yes
H2: Yes
H3: No. I'd go with the delayed continuation bet. Take the free card now and bet the turn if villian checks again.
H4: Yes
H5: Yes
H6: Yes
H7: Yes, but if I meet any resistance I'm shutting down.
H8: Check and against certain opponents check-raise bluff on occasion.

derosnec 12-06-2006 03:20 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
people who are checking H5 need to quit poker and take up high stakes knitting

ChipStorm 12-06-2006 03:21 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Yes, take it down
2. Yes, take it down
3. Yes, take it down
4. No, more cards may help you and you have a nut draw
5. No, you're weak, multiway, you have draws
6. Yes, take it down
7. Yes, take it down
8. Yes, take it down

kokiri 12-06-2006 03:21 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
CBET all, with the following exceptions/points:

H4 - i cbet 'cos i aint getting pushed off a draw, i'm getting it in here if c/raised.
H5 - I'm cbetting a lot here, but checking a lot also
H6 - I check here and take the free card, nasty board, nice draw that probably can't take the heat of a check raise
H8, I might like a check here, but i cbet a fair amount, too.

GtrHtr 12-06-2006 03:22 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
H1. Yes, however at NL50 its common for you to get c/r'ed here or called by a fd on this board.

H2. Yes, great flop to c/b on.

H3. Yes, until you get a read not to.

H4. I usually don't c/b multiway here, am I dumb/whimpy?

H5. Yes.

H6. Yes.

H7. meh, either way, usually yes but I suck at multiway flop play.

H8. No, not oop against 2 players.

I grunched this and am not real confident atm.

wslee00 12-06-2006 03:26 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
[ QUOTE ]
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. No (remove either the Q or 9, and then it is a "Yes")
8. No

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree with this 100%

Check_The_Nuts 12-06-2006 03:32 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
wow I was quite a bit different than a lot of people.

H1 - yes
H2 - No - pocket pairs will call, and its a likely holding for him. Also I abuse the crap out of my button usually. I'm probably a 50/50 in this spot for cbetting.
H3 - yes
H4 - yes
H5 - yes This board likely missed them, and it could have hit me. I sometimes get played back here, but most of the time they just fold.
H6 - no - too dangerous
H7 - no - no draw. I go for the delayed turn cbet usually
H8 - no - too many opponents and the flop likely hit them. Pray for a freebie. Flop also doesn't fit our range that well (AQ/AK both missed).

GrandmaStabone 12-06-2006 03:36 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
H1:

Yes. You are HU (always a good factor in deciding whether to Cbet), you may still have the best hand and the board isn't so connected that I'm too scared to Cbet, especially HU.

H2:

Yes. You are HU and the "Big Pair Small Card" boards are always Cbets for me HU.

H3:

Yes. That board is terrible but you are HU, and he could have called with a lot of hands that are just as scared of this board and will instafold the flop. I take down a lot of pots here HU.

H4:

Yes, absofreakinglutely. You are a favorite over any one pair hand that is not AA or KK on this board. This is str8 value. See H6 for more on draws.

H5:

No. Maybe if they were players who folded a lot and didn't get to SD very often, but without a ditstinct read I wouldn't CBet here with 2 people in with me. If it were one player, I cbet again on a dry flop like this.

H6:

Rarely. You are HU, but that board hits a ton of hands in his calling range. Plus, in this hand you have a legitemate draw, in the other hands if you get reraised it is an easy decision (usually) to just let it go. In this one you may be inclined to continue and I'd rather take a free card and keep the pot small whle I have a weak hand/draw that I may want to continue with.

H7:

Yes. You are HU and you may still have the best hand. I would tread very carefully on this board though and the turn would be important.

H8:

No. You are out of position in a multiway pot with a coordinated board and you missed.


NOTE: I just started playing NL, so I may be way off on these. If I am fundamentally misusing any NL concept please let me know. also, with no reads I assumed all villains were average, decent-but-not-great players.

Edit: Also, I play FR if that makes a difference.

Dan Bitel 12-06-2006 03:40 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
I'll elaborate on my reasons later, and this is presuming unknown villains and presuming I'm not planning on firing a 2nd barrel:

1) 50/50
2)no (but i would if i was planning on firing multi barrels)
3) yes
4) yes
5) 70/30
6) no
7) no
8) no

KurtSF 12-06-2006 03:40 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
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KurtSF,

H6 - You say you're betting for value. I'm not saying that betting is necesarily wrong, but what worse hands are you getting value from by betting?

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22-99??

But this is a blind-steal situation, so what is SB calling with? My gut says we are ahead of his range, but I haven't done any maths. If we are not ahead, we have a weak OESD, a pretty decent draw. What can SB c/r with? KT? JTs? Definitly TT or JJ, but KK would have to rr preflop. What can SB call us down with? Not much, eh?

I'm heads-up and in-position with a mediocre hand and a decent draw. I'd like to take this down before SB picks up a better draw or hits some goofy 2 outer.

I'm not being facetious when I say I'd love to hear how I'm wrong. Thanks!

wslee00 12-06-2006 03:43 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
btw - i think this is a great quiz - i probably do c-bet more than I should.

crazymoose 12-06-2006 03:45 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Almost never.
4. Yes, although it would be more for value than a CBet per se.
5. Usually.
6. Yes.
7. Yes.
8. Not usually.

gimmetheloot 12-06-2006 03:47 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
All but 6-8 are yes

ajmargarine 12-06-2006 03:57 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
Good comments, keep them coming. IMO, a good distrubution on this quiz would be 4 yes's, and 4 no's.

A definite yes: H3. Take your shot at it. You are UTG, rep the powerhouse. There's a decent chance you fold out a better hand like Kx, or TT.

A definite no: H8. OOP 3-way on a draw heavy flop. Draw heavy is when there are both flush and straights possible. You just have to check and fold this to a bet.

gimmetheloot 12-06-2006 03:59 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
5 to 3 isnt bad sir [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

the machine 12-06-2006 04:02 PM

Re: Should I CB? A Quiz.
 
1. Sometimes
2. Sometimes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. No
8. Sometimes

1 board is super drawy and we have no had whatsoever. by betting if we get called we have no clue if hes on a draw or if he has a hand. this makes it hard to double barrel so i dont cbet here. (i actually do cbet this board but i probably shouldnt as much)

2 is player deendent IMO. hes not going to put us on a queen so if we think he will figure us for a pair then yeah bet it but against a station type player then no. (obv dont cb into any station but i mean the type who wont fold any ace in this spot)

6 board has way too many draws on it and our hand sucks as is right now. check and try to catch up because in a raised pot its most likely we are behind

8 same reason as number 1. im more inclined to bet here though then in one because we have 2 overs now instead of just one.

i know sometimes isnt an option but im using that as a no, but on occasion i do bet these boards




edit. [censored] i thought these were all heads up. ill have to reread them all now

ok i just change had 7 to a no. multiway with no spade. were 5050 at this point to ako with one spade. im def checking here


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