Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3
 

9/20 update: giving credit where it's due

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[23:09] Adam Junglen: man
[23:09] Adam Junglen: imagine multi-accounting super users
[23:09] Adam Junglen: that'd be fun
[23:09] Adam Junglen: lol
[23:09] Adanthar: the software is clearly 1 table max
[23:09] Adam Junglen: Come on
[23:09] Adanthar: and actually come to think about it
[23:09] Adam Junglen: a little humor in there
[23:09] Adanthar: it cant be software
[23:09] Adanthar: it has to be some kind of program with a login
[23:10] Adanthar: otherwise they'd just run 2 copies and multiaccount
[23:10] Adanthar: nah you seriously gave me the idea just now heh
[23:10] Adanthar: dude
[23:10] Adanthar: you just showed conclusively its an inside job
[23:10] Adanthar: omfg
[23:11] Adam Junglen: As long as you give me the credit and make it sound as t hough it was a coherent thought
[23:11] Adam Junglen: I sure did
[23:11] Adanthar: yeah I'm gonna post it right now
[23:11] Adam Junglen: make sure to point out that I'm so brilliant I did it without realizing

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9/19 update: bigdogpckt5s, an AP tourney reg, talking about STEAMROLLER's wins in late August

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Sep 19 2007, 07:43 AM
Ok only once in my mind did I ever think its possible that people new what was going to come up or could see whole cards etc. I was playing the 100 f.o. in the afternoon when this guy i have never heard of comes up to me and says bigdog want to have a 1k last longer at this point i was cl I quickly looked him up on the db and he was 0-24 in multis on ap and never had a cash. But i refused the last longer anyway because i didnt no this guy. He went on to win this tourny 2 hours later he found me in the 150k for a 1k last longer again. I refused and he also won that tourny which i watched him make the most absurd moves all toury long and continue to suck out and win. It was the most bizarre thing I have ever come across. I even called AP vip to inquire about this because why would a guy who is 0-24 try to make a last longer with a person who is usually ontop of the tlb for 1k and he then goes onto win both tournys. I wish i could remember this guys name but the fact is i cant. Anyway read what you want into all that but it was defenetly extreamly bizarre.

bigdogpckt5s

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9/19 update 2: N82 making big progress on a "broken AP HH" converter for PT - expect screenshots soon

9/18 update: We have another rigged account, Payup, bringing the total to 5

9/18 update 2: In this Casinomeister thread, on page 3, a Casinomeister regular asks "if people really buy that crap". One post later, he gets outed as a 2+2 Absolute spammer with the same IP address as the President of Absolute Entertainment.

After the debacle of the last attempt I will be posting this in sections. Likely 3- but could be one more or one less depending how much I want to do.

This is a cliffsnotes of the old cliffsnotes thread regarding the suspected cheating accounts at Absolute.

First- the old OP by Imsakidd and some related posts/edits.

New 9/17 update: We have the Potripper final table HH: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=1212 3790. At this final table, he open folded PF twice and folded to a single PF raise twice in the last 27 hands. Both open folds were with AA and KK behind; the folds made to a raise were when villains had QQ and JJ.

Extra special mod note: random conspiracy theories about AP's rigged flops, other sites, or online poker in general = instaban. Take it to other threads or p5's.

new mod edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12111494

Adanthar requested someone make a cliffsnotes thread to condense the already massive thread, so here goes.

There was a thread in High Stakes Limit that has been up for maybe a week or so, with speculation that a few high stakes limit players could see hole cards. Accounts under suspicion were STEAMROLLER , DOUBLEDRAG , and GRAYCAT . The suspicion had to do with the Win% at showdown, river aggression factor, and their extremely loose preflop stats.

POTRIPPER also made it very deep in a $1k NL tourney, making expert calls like:

Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI:($428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]



After some time (or maybe after xposted to BBV), some suspicion was also brought up regarding these players NL play, mostly at 10/20 and 15/30 NL. They all played a VERY loose preflop style (90/80ish) with hudge river aggression factors. These "superusers" were much easier to spot at NL, especially given about 100 hands of HU from ikestoys vs. DOUBLEDRAG. In the 100 hands, the 3 times Doubledrag folded were when ikestoys had QQ-AA, or when another player 3bet before Doubledrag could act.

It was then brought up that these accounts are very likely the same person, perhaps Mark Seif. Hold on, Let me get my DOOMSWITCH. He was playing HU at 75/150 poo fling, playing terribly and dropping a couple k. Then he says "one second punk"....leaves the table.....then comes back about a minute later and announces "I'm ready to take you down." (from linked thread). Highlights following this involved openfolding when his opponent flopped a boat and capping bottom pair when ahead, etc.

So I think thats the gist of it. It is pretty obvious that if these guys are colluding they are very bad at it and arent really hiding it at all. It is possible the accounts are an AP insider who is disgruntled (Seif was fired a month or 2 ago) and is trying to tarnish the sites reputation.

Nothing is 100% proven yet. There are a few hands where the accounts play in a way where it is not obvious they can see cards:

STAGE #753356407: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-09-04 17:21:03 (ET)
Table: ALHAMBRA (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($19435 in chips)
Seat 6 - PRIMOGENITOX ($3041 in chips)
Seat 3 - PTOWNER ($8196 in chips)
Seat 4 - THE GRINDER ($7396 in chips)
PRIMOGENITOX - Posts small blind $15
PTOWNER - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PRIMOGENITOX [Qd Qh]
THE GRINDER - Raises $120 to $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $270 to $270
PRIMOGENITOX - Raises $985 to $1000
PTOWNER - Folds
THE GRINDER - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Folds
PRIMOGENITOX - returned ($730) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PRIMOGENITOX - Does not show
PRIMOGENITOX Collects $690 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($690)
Seat 3: PTOWNER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: THE GRINDER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PRIMOGENITOX (small blind) collected Total ($690)


Seat 5 - HOWDUZZYDOIT ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FRISCOMELT ($8301 in chips)
Seat 2 - FU_BEGGAR ($6000 in chips)
Seat 4 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2365 in chips)
FRISCOMELT - Posts small blind $15
FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Folds
FRISCOMELT - Calls $75
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 4d Kc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90
FRISCOMELT - Calls $90
*** TURN *** [6d 4d Kc] [Jc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480
FRISCOMELT - Calls $480
*** RIVER *** [6d 4d Kc Jc] [2c]
FRISCOMELT - Bets $7170
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $1705
FRISCOMELT - returned ($5465) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FRISCOMELT - Shows [8c 7c] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
FRISCOMELT Collects $4758 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4760) | Rake ($2)
Board [6d 4d Kc Jc 2c]
Seat 1: FRISCOMELT (small blind) won Total ($4758) HI:($4758) wit Flush, king high [8c 7c - B:Kc,B:Jc,P:8c,P:7c,B:2c]
Seat 2: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2s]
Seat 5: HOWDUZZYDOIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

And some screenshots:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/491/graycatrb9.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4894/dragxm4.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...doubledrag.jpg http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4...bledragbd7.jpg http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8682/moredragem8.jpg

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Now I take over (apefish)

Luckily since this is BBV, pics were included.

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Teh funnies:

kkcountry
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m.../holecards.jpg

ADMO
http://www.adamrichardson.com/2p2/GTA-Absolute.jpg

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And like any good BBV thread, some pics were left out but shouldn't have been.

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no love imsa [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...tyfive/abs.png

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Edmond Dantes posted another decent summary that was a lot of duplicate info- but detailed enough I think to include. It was locked for being a

dupe thread but is worth looking at.

It can be found here


------- Nat posts one of the suspected accounts mtt db.

GRAYCAT's MTT history on AP:

Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings
9/15/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 344 644 —
9/12/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 43 98 —
8/27/2007 $2 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 38 92 —
8/25/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 22 306 $1,071.00
8/21/2007 $20 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 115 134 —
8/19/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 219 552 —
8/18/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 19 365 $1,277.50
8/9/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 2239 2248 —
8/5/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 256 256 —
8/4/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 309 314 —
7/28/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 142 333 —
7/26/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 1832 2190 —
7/26/2007 $0.25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 1 172 $5.00
7/25/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 86 93 —
7/25/2007 $0.25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 141 168 —
7/25/2007 $20 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 128 133 —
7/24/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 8 10 —
7/23/2007 $15 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 1 19 $530.00
7/23/2007 $20 PL Omaha Hi/Lo 94 94 —
7/23/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 442 527 —
7/23/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 296 297 —
7/22/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 450 474 —
7/21/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 291 299 —
7/19/2007 $1 NL Hold'em 1456 1585 —
7/19/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 169 235 —
7/19/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 64 135 —
7/19/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 280 284 —
7/19/2007 $0.10 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 115 217 —
7/14/2007 $5 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 19 132 —
7/14/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 214 284 —
7/13/2007 $5 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 82 89 —
6/30/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 273 300 —
6/20/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 38 39 —
6/20/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 40 42 —
6/19/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 30 33 —
5/17/2007 $100 NL Hold'em 45 45 —
5/15/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 147 230 —
5/13/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 175 392 —
5/11/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 14 17 —
5/8/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 142 150 —

He's stuck 4k with a -60% ROI


------- nerd debate ensues about just how someone would be able to create a hack like this. For purposes of this thread it's a huge yawner although somewhat interesting. I'll summarize by saying "nobody really knows for certain how it was done if done and whether or not it required an inside presence/knowledge of the software." This part of the debate really isn't important for the cliffsnotes.

------- there is another story about someone and Mark Seif in a session one night. I am leaving out that story also because even the person involved essentially came out to say he didn't believe Mark Seif cheated him. He also said his new policy is to never play against site owners. It's an interesting read but not pertinent to this thread. You can read it all here. .


------- much of the debate involved in the entire thread is over cheating vs normal variance/running hot. I think it is obvious in the thread that many respected higher stakes players whom nobody would think could talk about accusations like this lightly/are in fact quite convinced something is not right. I'll name Adanthar, Schneids, and ikestoys, among others. Sorry if I left you off but I wanted just a few names so people don't think "great another conspiracy theory- break out the tin foil helmets."

to give an example of how out of the ordinary we are talking... Gemmer points out this hand.

With the most suspicious hand being:

STAGE #746856569: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-28 11:47:04 (ET)
Table: LOC NESS AVE (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - GEMMER ($7200 in chips)
Seat 3 - GOFETCH ($11990 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($24027.89 in chips)
Seat 5 - MNTBIKR18 ($7880 in chips)
GOFETCH - Posts small blind $100
GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GEMMER [5d 5c]
MNTBIKR18 - Raises $400 to $400
GEMMER - Raises $600 to $600
GOFETCH - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $800
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
GEMMER - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [2c 2s 5s]
GRAYCAT - Checks
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $200
GRAYCAT - Folds
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [2c 2s 5s] [10h]
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $400
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [2c 2s 5s 10h] [Ah]
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $400
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GEMMER - Shows [5d 5c] (Full house, fives full of twos)
MNTBIKR18 - Mucks
GEMMER Collects $4495 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4500) | Rake ($5)
Board [2c 2s 5s 10h Ah]
Seat 3: GOFETCH (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: MNTBIKR18 HI: [Mucked] [Jh 10c]
Seat 7: GEMMER (dealer) won Total ($4495) HI:($4495) with Full house, fives full of twos [5d 5c - B:5s,P:5d,P:5c,B:2s,B:2c]

He coldcaps preflop and then proceeds to check/fold the flop on this board.



------- several gimmicks make an appearance. One is worth noting. Pure Gold.

Bill Belichick posts...

"I want to let everyone know that in the past few months I've taken over the role as Mark Seif's poker coach. I can state definitively that our hand viewing procedures are compliant with the stated rules."

If this account never posts again it will be too soon. That's how good that post is.


------ things get exciting. Poster Johnnycakes notes that suspected account Doubledrag is sitting at AP 10/20 NL.
Fireworks ensue.

some hands...

Stage #764235402: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:07 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($800 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
2006STANGGT - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $10
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 6s 3c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [4c 6s 3c] [5c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $80 to $80
2006STANGGT - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [4c 6s 3c 5c] [3d]
2006STANGGT - All-In $680
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $680
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [5d 3h] (Full house, threes full of fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $1599.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1600) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [4c 6s 3c 5c 3d]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (big blind) won Total ($1599.50) All-In HI:($1599.50) with Full house, threes full of fives [5d 3h - P:3h,B:3d,B:3c,P:5d,B:5c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2h]


LOL, he's read the thread?

Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1599.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3200 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Kd 8c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [5h Kd 8c] [4d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** RIVER *** [5h Kd 8c 4d] [6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $140
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [2c 7h] (Straight, four to eight)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [5s 7c] (Straight, four to eight)
2006STANGGT Collects $179.75 from main pot
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $179.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($360) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5h Kd 8c 4d 6c]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($179.75) HI:($179.75) with Straight, four to eight [2c 7h - B:8c,P:7h,B:6c,B:5h,B:4d]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) won Total ($179.75) HI:($179.75) with Straight, four to eight [5s 7c - B:8c,P:7c,B:6c,P:5s,B:4d]


From Hawklet...

must have thought 4 high was good

Stage #764259764: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:02:42 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1737.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3057.75 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 5d Qh]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** TURN *** [5c 5d Qh] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [5c 5d Qh 7d] [2s]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [4c 6c] (One pair, fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $239.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($240) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5c 5d Qh 7d 2s]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($239.50) HI:($239.50) with One pair, fives(six kicker) [4c 6c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Qh,B:7d,P:6c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3s 4s]

Parlay Slow makes the insight...
"doubledrag is just taunting 2+2 with that 4 high call"


------ people talk about whether to play him or not if hes deliberately dumping to cover. a massive rail gathers, forcing some to not be able to watch.

In Imsa's words... "DAMN I WANNANA RIALRALIRAL WTF"


End part one. hand histories from "the dumping sessions" to follow.

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Comprehensive.. nice work.

To all the n00bs - It's 100% that this is a security compromise, take all your downie "This isn't conclusive" bs to www.pocketfives.com - ty.

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since its obvious that the security was compromised... can we start to talk about the future of online poker and just how big of a deal this really is?

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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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since its obvious that the security was compromised... can we start to talk about the future of online poker and just how big of a deal this really is?

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this issue is really bothering me a lot. a lot a lot.

Some guy who I met the other day who told me he "plays my stakes" and when he saw me with 4.4k at a 5/10 table said "you should move up you have enough to play 10/20" (for the slow: he is teh fish) told me he head that absolute is actually rigged. And that if absolute is rigged, how do I know Pokerstars isn't?

adasdaswefw2efregrggggggggggggggggggg

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------- hands from the sessions....

Stage #764273045: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:18:36 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4059.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4578.50 in chips)
Seat 3 - RAM20INCH ($800 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
RAM20INCH - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
GP333 - Folds
RAM20INCH - All-In(Raise) $780 to $800
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $760
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd 9h]
*** TURN *** [6h Qd 9h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd 9h 5h] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RAM20INCH - Shows [Qs Ks] (One pair, queens)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7s Kd] (Straight, five to nine)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $1608 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1610) | Rake ($2)
Board [6h Qd 9h 5h 8s]
Seat 2: GP333 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: RAM20INCH (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qs Ks - P:Qs,B:Qd,P:Ks,B:9h,B:8s]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) won Total ($1608) HI:($1608) with Straight, five to nine [7s Kd - B:9h,B:8s,P:7s,B:6h,B:5h]


Stage #764276226: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:22:24 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($5375.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4056.50 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Raises $50 to $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [6s Kh Ah]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
*** TURN *** [6s Kh Ah] [Ac]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
GP333 - Raises $220 to $220
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** RIVER *** [6s Kh Ah Ac] [4h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $700
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $700
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Qh 6h] (Flush, ace high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
GP333 Collects $2119.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2120) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [6s Kh Ah Ac 4h]
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($2119.50) HI:($2119.50) with Flush, ace high [Qh 6h - B:Ah,B:Kh,P:Qh,P:6h,B:4h]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3d Ad]


Stage #764265850: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:09:52 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - PROT0 ($764.12 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2815.75 in chips)
PROT0 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PROT0 - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $20 to $40
PROT0 - Calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 9c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $20
PROT0 - Raises $166 to $166
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $146
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 9c] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
PROT0 - All-In $558.12
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $558.12
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 9c 7d] [10s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Kc 4h] (king high)
PROT0 - Shows [Qh 8s] (One pair, queens)
PROT0 Collects $1527.74 from main pot


Stage #764319278: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:10:58 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($3217.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3390 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1534.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9785.25 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
JPO123 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $130 to $140
JPO123 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $70
*** FLOP *** [6s 4d 6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $580
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $580
*** TURN *** [6s 4d 6c] [4s]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $2670
HYPERMOUSE - All-In $2497.70
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($172.30) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6s 4d 6c 4s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HYPERMOUSE - Shows [3d 6h] (Full house, sixes full of fours)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10c Jd] (Two Pair, sixes and fours)


Stage #764321824: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:13:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9955.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6433.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3607.70 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1752.50 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
JPO123 - Raises $60 to $60
GP333 - Raises $240 to $240
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
JPO123 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10c Qh 6h]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $3367.70
GP333 - Calls $3367.70
*** TURN *** [10c Qh 6h] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [10c Qh 6h Kh] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Kd Ks] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3h 2s] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $7283.40 from main pot


Stage #764329584: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:21:54 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($2396 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($7994.85 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($770 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6480.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4889.90 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
GREEKSQUARED - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $180 to $180
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Folds
GREEKSQUARED - Raises $380 to $400
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3d 4h]
GREEKSQUARED - Bets $200
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $4280 to $4280
GREEKSQUARED - All-In $170
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($3910) : not called
*** TURN *** [Qd 3d 4h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3d 4h 9s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GREEKSQUARED - Shows [Ad As] (One pair, aces)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7d Jh] (One pair, jacks)
GREEKSQUARED Collects $1617 from main pot

At this point it is fairly obvious he has read the threads. Although more obvious to some than others... as Adanthar's reply to a post shows...

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Right now, from the HH's I see here, it seems likely that he has read the monster threads, realized he has been caught and is now playing a maniacal style but intentionally losing this time so that people go "oh wait look that style IS a losing one", hoping to calm people down.

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was it the c/c with 4 high that tipped you off?

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----- some table chat.

A2Steaksauce: You're a confirmed cheater
DOUBLEDRAG: You're a confirmed [censored]
DOUBLEDRAG: lol



----- teddyFBI helps clarify if Absolute is taking any steps.

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From a relatively senior contact I have over at Absolute received at 6:40pm today:

"Thanks a lot for bringing this to my attention. Our team is aware of this and is taking action. I will keep u up to date on anything i find out.

Thanks,"

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------ more hands.


Stage #764339565: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:32:39 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3427 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($12957.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1547 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6630.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($2000 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
GREEKSQUARED - Posts big blind $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts dead $30 dead $10
RIGGED14 - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $60
JPO123 - Raises $300 to $300
GP333 - Raises $810 to $820
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In(Raise) $3930 to $3990
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Calls $3170
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 8d]
*** TURN *** [7h 9s 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7h 9s 8d 8s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Ac Ah] (Two Pair, aces and eights)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3s 3d] (Two Pair, eights and threes)
GP333 Collects $8327 from main pot


vzStage #764341030: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:34:17 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1517 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6590.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3157 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($17294.75 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
RIGGED14 - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GP333 [10d 7s]
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Raises $80 to $80
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Ad]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $3800 to $3800
GP333 - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($3680) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Does not show
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $407 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($410) | Rake ($3)
Board [7d Qc Ad]
Seat 1: JPO123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: GREEKSQUARED (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: HYPERMOUSE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) collected Total ($407) HI:($407) [Does not show]


Stage #764343419: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:36:55 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($1920 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3067 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($17451.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1517 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6580.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4017 in chips)
JPO123 - Posts small blind $10
GP333 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HYPERMOUSE [Qd 9d]
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $70
RIGGED14 - Calls $70
JPO123 - Calls $60
GP333 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 8c 9h]
JPO123 - Checks
HYPERMOUSE - Bets $235
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $470 to $470
RIGGED14 - Folds
JPO123 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $235
*** TURN *** [3h 8c 9h] [10h]
HYPERMOUSE - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $100
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $100
*** RIVER *** [3h 8c 9h 10h] [3c]
HYPERMOUSE - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HYPERMOUSE - Shows [Qd 9d] (Two Pair, nines and threes)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
HYPERMOUSE Collects $1437 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1440) | Rake ($3)
Board [3h 8c 9h 10h 3c]
Seat 1: JPO123 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: GP333 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: GREEKSQUARED Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: HYPERMOUSE won Total ($1437) HI:($1437) with Two Pair, nines and threes [Qd 9d - B:9h,P:9d,B:3h,B:3c,P:Qd]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [6d Js]
Seat 6: RIGGED14 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP


------ doubledrags pokertracker graph for the session found here...

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?i..._122_788lo.jpg

raw pokertracker data for the session...

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---- doubledrag takes a break. then he comes back.

some chat...

DOUBLEDRAG: why were they so harsh with me?
NYBULLY: BIGHEAD DONT FOLD ON HIM
GP333: they think u are a cheaeter or something
DOUBLEDRAG: how
GP333: dont worry about it just play your game!!
GP333: because you win so much
<< Result for Hand 764363142 >>
CALVINHOBBES wins ($158.50) with (Three of a kind, nines).
BIGHEAD909 wins ($158.50) with (Three of a kind, nines).
DOUBLEDRAG: yeah i guess ur right
DOUBLEDRAG: i lose really bad at times
GP333: how much u win here
DOUBLEDRAG: but i am trying
NYBULLY: IF HE GIVES ME 20K I WOULDNT WORRY
GP333: u up since depositing??
ERIKCOOLGUY: can anyone please spot me 50
DOUBLEDRAG: yeah but before this last run... i was down a ton
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STUD305: win more cash and flatten the competiition
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<< Result for Hand 764364003 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($387.00) with (One pair, tens).
ERIKCOOLGUY: someone please spot 50
GP333: gl with it
DOUBLEDRAG: at ftp i am down
DOUBLEDRAG: 40k
GP333: ooof
ERIKCOOLGUY: come one i need to get into a table
<< Result for Hand 764364780 >>
FU_BEGGAR wins ($287.00) with (Two Pair, aces and jacks).
DOUBLEDRAG: can you cheat
DOUBLEDRAG: somehow?
GP333: i dont know for sure
GP333: but peopl think its u
<< Result for Hand 764365437 >>
GP333 wins ($477.00 chips).
FU_BEGGAR: doubledrag is the biggest cheater
GP333: cuz u so tough to play with
MANUTEBOLJR: they neen an excuse for losin
<< Result for Hand 764366129 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($50.00 chips).
DOUBLEDRAG: got it
NYBULLY: DRAG DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT US CROOKS HAVE TO STICK 2GETHER
<< Result for Hand 764366425 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($50.00 chips).


hands...

Stage #764374293: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:10:18 (ET)
Table: GALVESTON AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4300 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2804 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4177 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($5371 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGHEAD909 ($2861.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FU_BEGGAR ($4064 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
CALVINHOBBES - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Raises $80 to $80
GP333 - Calls $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $190 to $200
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
GP333 - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [3c 5d Qc]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** TURN *** [3c 5d Qc] [Qs]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
GP333 - Raises $580 to $580
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $540
*** RIVER *** [3c 5d Qc Qs] [Jd]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10h 7d] (One pair, queens)
GP333 - Shows [6h 6c] (Two Pair, queens and sixes)
GP333 Collects $1657 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1660) | Rake ($3)
Board [3c 5d Qc Qs Jd]
Seat 1: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) won Total ($1657) HI:($1657) with Two Pair, queens and sixes [6h 6c - B:Qs,B:Qc,P:6h,P:6c,B:Jd]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [10h 7d - B:Qs,B:Qc,B:Jd,P:10h,P:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BIGHEAD909 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #764381019: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:17:28 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($824 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($1567 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4137 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4000 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($2062 in chips)
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($5056 in chips)
WPORTER - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $20
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
WPORTER - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $40
WPORTER - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [3d 7d Ac]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $60
WPORTER - Calls $60
*** TURN *** [3d 7d Ac] [5d]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $80
WPORTER - Raises $400 to $400
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $320
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
*** RIVER *** [3d 7d Ac 5d] [5c]
WPORTER - Bets $750
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $3400 to $3400
WPORTER - All-In $297
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($2353) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6c 8c] (One pair, fives)
WPORTER - Shows [Ad 10h] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
WPORTER Collects $3331 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3334) | Rake ($3)
Board [3d 7d Ac 5d 5c]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: WPORTER (small blind) won Total ($3331) All-In HI:($3331) with Two Pair, aces and fives [Ad 10h - P:Ad,B:Ac,B:5d,B:5c,P:10h]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, fives [6c 8c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Ac,P:8c,B:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #764384931: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:21:38 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($4986 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($764 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($3518 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3517 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4644 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($1842 in chips)
BIGHEAD909 - Posts small blind $10
WPORTER - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Calls $40
BIGHEAD909 - Calls $30
WPORTER - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh Js Kc]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** TURN *** [Kh Js Kc] [6s]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Kh Js Kc 6s] [4d]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $180
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $180
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGHEAD909 - Shows [Ks 9c] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
BIGHEAD909 Collects $817 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($820) | Rake ($3)
Board [Kh Js Kc 6s 4d]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (small blind) won Total ($817) HI:($817) with Three of a kind, kings [Ks 9c - P:Ks,B:Kh,B:Kc,B:Js,P:9c]
Seat 2: WPORTER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [5s Qh]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the TURN
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR (dealer) Folded on the FLOP


----- jman220 makes an interesting point to ponder.

"It is a little strange that he's willing to invest this much money in trying to repair his image considering the fact that we all estimated he won a few hundred thousand at most. If anything, I think this may be an indication that the cheating is more widespread than just his account, and he's trying to do everything he can to repair the damage he's done to his ring of cheaters."

and then another...

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or it could just be that the cards are breaking even now, while before he was running hot

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he won 37 buyins (assuming a buyin = 100BB) in 440 hands playing 90/70. do you seriously think its possible to do this without cheating?

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And that stat is still not the most amazing one. I don't think people realize how impossible it is to play 190 hands HEADS UP with the stats he had AND NEVER ONCE CALL ON THE RIVER. That set he had like around 30 WSD. That means that out of the 190 hands, he saw around 57 showdowns, heads up. He saw 57, and in all those 57 showdowns, he never once called on the river, he raised every time. I wish we had seen his went to river stat as well, because that would also be interesting. I cannot comprehend this statistic without him being able to see hole cards. The odds must be astronomical to have those stats, while simultaneously winning whatever ridiculous amount he won, with the won money at showdown stat that he also had.

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------- greeksquared attempts to help put the odds this is just a legit heater in perspective...

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I have a masters in statistics and an off the cuff estimate I would give would be something like 10^20:1

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Back soon with part three.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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Cuz that's gay.

All the cool kids use "omnipaccount" or "omnisciuser".

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

my name is squareview and I created a dumb gimmick to troll, making a few people do some work to double check a point

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

And apefish, very very nice work ldo.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

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no one will catch me. i have 400k locked up and im gone. im just a hacker. lol that pay back was for giggles. t was my last 30k there after a 350k withdraw. poor mark, sry bro

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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

my name is squareview and I created a dumb gimmick to troll, making a few people do some work to double check a point

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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I went back to try to edit it but max time had passed. I just went off the old thread name but yeah LDO. I missed the chance.

Part three coming.. Finishing off some food while doing it.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

my name is squareview and I created a dumb gimmick to troll, making a few people do some work to double check a point

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

Worst gimmick account. Ever.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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I don't think we should focus too much on the whole "super account" concept. It could just be some little hacker program that intercepts the other players hole cards on their way out to the respective clients. Posibly within the program, before they're encrypted, or after on the network, if they've broken the encryption. That could also explain the lag when the cheater is moved to a new table.

Or maybe they've figured out a way to spoof the server into sending data a fake client, and somehow disabled the part that should detect multiple identical clients.

The point is, we don't really want to open up the door for them to come back and say something like "there is absolutely no such thing as a superuser account". There are other ways this could be happening.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

The only part I wish this forum would exercise a little more caution about is the allegations about Seif's potential involvement. Those claims are very, very dubious (i'm not ruling anything out, but I personally REALLY doubt that he has anything to do with this), and the only potential substantiation comes in the form of an uncorroborated report from a guy who Seif ran over HU >> WHO HAS SINCE RECANTED!

I just bring these points up to do my best to maintain this thread's credibility. The PT stats and HHs are IRON-CLAD, FOOL-PROOF, CONCLUSIVE. No reasonable pair of eyes can disagree with them. The allegations about Seif, on the other hand, belong in fairy-tale land (for now), and they shouldn't be held out to be authoritative; all they do for now is detract from the rest of the evidence's perceived legitimacy.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

as always, teddyfbi is right.

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

my name is squareview and I created a dumb gimmick to troll, making a few people do some work to double check a point

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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

that hand where doubledrag bet like 5500..then folded to $90 more...could it have been $550 mistype extra 0 HUGE COINCIDENCE? just playing Devil's Advocate

Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
 

yea, nice work apefish - glad we got a new thread too!

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http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ute-thread.html

AP made a statement there. Sorry if this has already been posted.

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Excuse me for not sounding professional, but this Danielle bitch is [censored] retarded.

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Pretty safe to assume they have done nothing and don't know whats going but let the damage control begin.

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http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ute-thread.html

AP made a statement there. Sorry if this has already been posted.

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She's got a genius line of thought.. "hmmmm this might be bad for my business... OH I'll just say its not true."

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Adanthar-
I had AA on one of the few pf folds potripper made at the FT FWFW

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http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ute-thread.html

AP made a statement there. Sorry if this has already been posted.

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This is far from AP's official statement, fwiw. This is an affiliate manager, who likely plays little to no role in the actual managing of the cardroom.

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Adanthar-
I had AA on one of the few pf folds potripper made at the FT FWFW

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It just gets better and better

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Adanthar-
I had AA on one of the few pf folds potripper made at the FT FWFW

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Are you CrazyMarco? If not, which hand was it? Look at the link in the OP - I reviewed all 28 FT hands down to 3 handed.

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I could get my whole HH for the turney if you guys think its worth it... I played a decent amount with potripper

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Let's go to Mark Seif's Hotel Room and shake him up.

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Part three...

------ Adanthar provides HHs from the 1K event. His analysis/commentary not mine- although I would like to think I would have written much of it the same way.



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thanks to p5's, I got the HH for potripper's first 2 hours. Unfortunately, PT can't import it for some freak reason again, so I'm going through it manually.

First big doubleup hand:

Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer [ 2007-09-12 21:15:24 ]
Stage #896578317 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20
- 2007-09-12 21:15:24.010 (ET)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($9875 in chips)
Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($10320 in chips)
Seat 6 - SCOTT_NZL ($9795 in chips)
Seat 7 - DZ00NUTS ($8452 in chips)
Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($9960 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($9970 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGREDAK86 ($9940 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($14152 in chips)
Seat 2 - JOSIAHW ($7466 in chips)
POTR0AST - Posts small blind $10
POKERME420 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [5s Js]
SCOTT_NZL - Calls $20
DZ00NUTS - Raises $60 to $60
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160
POKERME420 - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
SCOTT_NZL - Calls $140
DZ00NUTS - Calls $100
*** FLOP *** [7d 2d 4c]
SCOTT_NZL - Checks
DZ00NUTS - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $300
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCOTT_NZL - Raises $900 to $900
POTRIPPER - Raises $2000 to $2300
SCOTT_NZL - Raises $4640 to $5540
POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $11692 to $13992
SCOTT_NZL - All-In $4095
POTRIPPER - returned ($4357) : not called
*** TURN *** [7d 2d 4c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [7d 2d 4c 7c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10h 10c] (Two Pair, tens and sevens)
SCOTT_NZL - Shows [8c 8h] (Two Pair, eights and sevens)
POTRIPPER Collects $19780 from main pot

This would be donkish but normal in any tournament except the 1K. In the 1K, it's suspicious given our other evidence so far. But let's move on. The very next hand:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9d Ad]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $50 to $50
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $180 to $180
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $180
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $130
*** FLOP *** [4h 9s Ah]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9s Ah] [2h]
SCARFACE_79 - Bets $280
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds

He coldcalls 2 bets cold (the first of 472 times). Someone else flops 2 pair. c/f.

Next hand:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh Jc]
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $60 to $60
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $60
DZ00NUTS - Calls $60
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $300 to $310
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $290
POTRIPPER - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $250
DZ00NUTS - Calls $250
(lotsa action later)
KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Kh As] (ace high)
POKERME420 - Shows [Qs Qh] (One pair, queens)

He raises but then folds to a RR and 2 CC's. Standard, except this is 1 of about a dozen times he's going to fold PF in 2 hours.

Let's keep going:

BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $90 to $90
POKERME420 - Raises $180 to $180
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $330 to $420
POKERME420 - Calls $240
*** FLOP *** [10d 7d 4d]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $1800
POTRIPPER - Folds
POKERME420 - returned ($1800) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 - Shows [7c 7h] (Three of a kind, sevens)

and going...

*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10d Js]
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $120 to $120
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Calls $100
POTRIPPER - Raises $520 to $560

Where have we seen this betting pattern before?

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8s 8d]
DZ00NUTS - Calls $40
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $40
POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Calls $120
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [Js 3d Kh]
DZ00NUTS - Checks
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $320
DZ00NUTS - Calls $320
*** TURN *** [Js 3d Kh] [Kd]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $5240
DZ00NUTS - Folds

what a great cold 3 bet sniffing out 2 bluffs on an 8 high flop...

POKERME420 - Raises $200 to $200
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $200
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $175
POTR0AST - Folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 6d 3s]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $250
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $850 to $850
POTRIPPER - Raises $5700 to $5700
POKERME420 - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds

followed by another great read 3 hands later...

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [3d 6c]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $250 to $250
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $250
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 5c 6d]
POTRIPPER - Bets $150
POKERME420 - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [4h 5c 6d] [As]
POTRIPPER - Bets $250
POKERME420 - Raises $800 to $800
POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $27797 to $28047
POKERME420 - Folds

here's one of his other folds:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [2d 4h]
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $450 to $450
JOSIAHW - Calls $450
POTRIPPER - Folds
POTR0AST - Raises $1700 to $1700
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds

who wants to guess what potroast had there? anyone?

owned by RNG on yet another fantastic read:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8h 6d]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $450
*** FLOP *** [3s As 10s]
KOOLKEITH13 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $750
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $2100 to $2100
POTRIPPER - Calls $1350
*** TURN *** [3s As 10s] [Qd]
KOOLKEITH13 - All-In $2554
POTRIPPER - Calls $2554
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** RIVER *** [3s As 10s Qd] [Qc]
POTRIPPER - Shows [Ah 2c] (Two Pair, aces and queens)
KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Jd Qs] (Three of a kind, queens)

another fold:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Qd Qh]
POTRIPPER - Folds

he's reraised PF 43875783457845 times so far, but just calls this time. fortunately for him, JJ has, at most, one out:

*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh 3d]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Raises $600 to $600
POTRIPPER - Calls $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Calls $400
*** FLOP *** [2d 2s 5s]
DZ00NUTS - Checks
JOSIAHW - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $1000
DZ00NUTS - Folds
JOSIAHW - All-In(Raise) $4291 to $4291
POTRIPPER - Calls $3291
*** TURN *** [2d 2s 5s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [2d 2s 5s Kd] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JOSIAHW - Shows [Jc Jd] (Two Pair, jacks and twos)
POTRIPPER - Shows [As Ac] (Two Pair, aces and twos)

another fold:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Ah Ad]
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $550 to $550
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds

check this entire hand out. Nice semibluff on the turn:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 9c]
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $600
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $500
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ac 8c]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $400
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $400
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [Ah Ac 8c] [3c]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $1800
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $1800
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ac 8c 3c] [Kd]
POTRIPPER - Bets $2999
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $2999
POTRIPPER - Shows [Ks Qd] (Two Pair, aces and kings)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KOOLKEITH13 - Mucks
POTRIPPER Collects $12958 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($12958)
Seat 1: BIGREDAK86 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Board [Ah Ac 8c 3c Kd]
Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($12958) HI:($12958) with Two Pair, aces and kings
Seat 8: KOOLKEITH13 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [9s 9d]

what's slowplay vs. 2 pair precious

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 8c]
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $600 to $600
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $400
*** FLOP *** [Kd Js As]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Bets $888
POTRIPPER - Calls $888
*** TURN *** [Kd Js As] [6h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - All-In $2652
POTRIPPER - Calls $2652
*** RIVER *** [Kd Js As 6h] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGREDAK86 - Shows [Jc Ah] (Two Pair, aces and jacks)
POTRIPPER - Shows [10h Qd] (Straight, ten to ace)
POTRIPPER Collects $8560 from main pot

open folding the button for the only time in 2 hours:

POTRIPPER - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 Collects $575 from main pot
POKERME420 - Shows [Ac Kc]

another well executed squeeze

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10h 8h]
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $800 to $800
AUTOSMOKE - Calls $800
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $2950 to $3100

great read one more time sir. also, good river vbet:

POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600
POTR0AST - Calls $1600
POKERME420 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 6h 6s]
POTRIPPER - Bets $2800
POTR0AST - Calls $2800
*** TURN *** [9h 6h 6s] [3c]
POTRIPPER - Bets $5200
POTR0AST - Raises $10400 to $10400
POTRIPPER - Calls $5200
*** RIVER *** [9h 6h 6s 3c] [5h]
POTRIPPER - Bets $6000
POTR0AST - Calls $6000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [Qs 3s] (Two Pair, sixes and threes)
POTR0AST - Mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
POTRIPPER Collects $42560 from main pot
Total Pot($42560)
Board [9h 6h 6s 3c 5h]
Seat 1: AUTOSMOKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($42560) HI:($42560) with Two Pair, sixes and threes
[Qs 3s - B:6s,B:6h,P:3s,B:3c,P:Qs]
Seat 4: POTR0AST HI: [Mucked] [Jc As]

next hand:

POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $1600
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SMOOVESTEELY - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2d Ad 5s]
POTRIPPER - Bets $400
POKERME420 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [2d Ad 5s] [5h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $1200
POTRIPPER - Raises $2400 to $2400
POKERME420 - Calls $1200
*** RIVER *** [2d Ad 5s 5h] [8d]
POTRIPPER - Bets $3600
POKERME420 - All-In(Raise) $15790 to $15790
POTRIPPER - Calls $12190
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 - Shows [Jc Kd] (One pair, fives)
POTRIPPER - Shows [As 2h] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
POTRIPPER Collects $41340 from main pot

[This hand got mixed in with the others sent to me somehow - its from an hour later] I think he just got bored at this point/had pot odds to call anyway/note his stack:

Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($11616 in chips)
Seat 1 - AUTOSMOKE ($6564 in chips)
Seat 2 - OBV_DONK ($5675 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($89564 in chips)
Seat 6 - BLANCONEGRO ($8730 in chips)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($17340 in chips)
Seat 7 - CLOVER777 ($2195 in chips)
Seat 8 - SMOOVESTEELY ($18900 in chips)
AUTOSMOKE - Ante $60
OBV_DONK - Ante $60
POTRIPPER - Ante $60
POTR0AST - Ante $60
BLANCONEGRO - Ante $60
SMOOVESTEELY - Ante $60
CLOVER777 - Ante $60
SCARFACE_79 - Ante $60
SCARFACE_79 - Posts small blind $300
AUTOSMOKE - Posts big blind $600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [7h 10c]
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $1800 to $1800
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $8400 to $8400
SMOOVESTEELY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
AUTOSMOKE - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $6600
*** FLOP *** [2c 6d Kd]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BLANCONEGRO - All-In(Raise) $270 to $270
POTRIPPER - Calls $270
*** RIVER *** [2c 6d Kd Kh] [3c]
*** TURN *** [2c 6d Kd] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10s Qd] (One pair, kings)
BLANCONEGRO - Shows [8s As] (One pair, kings)

not shown: potripper not missing a single opportunity to perfectly make his opponents fold or value betting TP vs. 2nd pair.

questions?

edit: let's not forget the final hand of the donkament!

Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot

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someone says "meh that doesnt look like much... Adanthar adds...
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I'm pretty sure a HH of my 2nd place finish in the Super Tuesday would look just as suspicious (I play every hand).

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His stats in this thing are something like 85/60, and what I left out is an absolutely perfect check/fold (inc first to act) vs bet pattern. Just like DD, he never showed down a worse hand. What you make out of that is up to you.

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Later Cowpig states Adanthar has swayed him.



-------- doubledrag comes back on to AP again... a hand.

Stage #764568105: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-17 00:42:50 (ET)
Table: OKLAHOMA ST (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - BIGHEAD909 ($777 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($8571.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($5511.25 in chips)
Seat 1 - RIVERCRIME ($954 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($2574 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
MANUTEBOLJR - Posts small blind $10
FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts dead $30 dead $10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to WPORTER [As Ah]
RIVERCRIME - Folds
WPORTER - Raises $100 to $100
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $180 to $200
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
WPORTER - Raises $700 to $800
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $600
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6c 2s]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 6c 2s] [3h]
WPORTER - All-In $1774
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $1774
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6c 2s 3h] [10s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WPORTER - Shows [As Ah] (One pair, aces)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [4d 9c] (king high)
WPORTER Collects $5185 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5188) | Rake ($3)
Board [Kd 6c 2s 3h 10s]
Seat 1: RIVERCRIME Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: WPORTER won Total ($5185) All-In HI:($5185) with One pair, aces [As Ah - P:As,P:Ah,B:Kd,B:10s,B:6c]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG HI:lost with king high [4d 9c - B:Kd,B:10s,P:9c,B:6c,P:4d]
Seat 4: BIGHEAD909 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS



------ more morans post and KyleB refutes them in his own special way...

"People who say LOL SMALL SAMPLE SIZE when the standard deviation is RIDICULOUS are [censored] idiots, and this obviously includes you.

Just because the sample size is small DOES NOT MEAN THE DATA IS NOT VALID YOU IDIOTDAGNSLKHHSD HSLH "


note: the other thread apparently just got locked so no more cool quotes... just hand done ones. BEAT.


------ Niss posts a concise/pithy cliffnotes. It is accurate- just not detailed.

The cliff notes are:

"Overwhelming, undisputed evidence of cheating via "superuser" account or something similar.

Then some newb idiot comes in and, without reading all of the posts in the various threads, posts how it's not conclusive and we're a mob.

Newb idiot gets shouted down.

Doubledrag then goes and plays like a major league retard, dumping thousands, in an obvious attempt to cover his play.

More posts about how this is conclusive evidence of cheating.

New noob retard comes in and, without reading the posts, says that we're all jumping to conclusions.

Rinse and re-wash"




From here much of the thread just peters out a bit.
There are some good posts- some retarded ones- and some funny ones. One of the funniest things to come out of the last 25 percent or so of the thread is a link to this Stud forums post about Absolute being retards about Razz rules.
Hilarious and makes head hurt



------- poster comhood shows up with HHs from the 1K with Potripper and ships Adanthar the goods.

"Hi, I finished 4th in the 1000$ tournament (as monsterhood) where Potripper was revealed, and the most famous HH part is from)... can anyone tell me how i get in touch with the moderators? I want to show them parts of my HH as additional proof (though not everybody, obv) Anyone know how i do that? ty"

-------Adanthar takes a look and replies/analyzes.

stream of consciousness post incoming. I'm writing down every single hand:

2nd hand (5 handed table):

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kc 10s]
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $7200 to $7200
BIGGIES05 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $40800 to $40800

only fold in the first 8 hands is UTG - someone else raises UTG+1

6th hand:

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Ah 9c]
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $7200 to $7200
BIGGIES05 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $6000
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 9h 3c]
POTRIPPER - Checks
MONSTERHOOD - Bets $17000
POTRIPPER - Folds

2 more PF folds in 8 hands (not much to go on in either) prior to FT bubble bursting, which happens like this:

BIGGIES05 - All-In(Raise) $28708 to $28708
POTRIPPER - Calls $28708
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 3h Ac]
*** TURN *** [7c 3h Ac] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7c 3h Ac 8s] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [As 9d] (One pair, aces)
BIGGIES05 - Shows [Ks Qh] (ace high)

so he calls a 10x shove with A9o UTG+1 and has the best hand. interesting.

Start of FT:

Seat 5 - BLANCONEGRO ($117982.04 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGSLICK444 ($59190.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - THE_GUN_SHOW ($53240 in chips)
Seat 9 - MIKECAROJR ($44430.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($321308.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($68420 in chips)
Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($63374 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($252054.46 in chips)

This is the first hand at the FT. Note the odd fold here that we wouldn't see if he was cheating. An alibi? Read on:

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kh 4h]
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MIKECAROJR - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400
POTRIPPER - Folds
PLETT25 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - returned ($5600) : not called

very next hand:

CRAZYMARCO - Raises $7175 to $7175
MIKECAROJR - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $7175
PLETT25 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $23700 to $23700
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - returned ($16525) : not called

Again, this looks like a legitimate donk play. These two hands back to back seem like a solid alibi.

Except the next hand:

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Qd Qc]
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MIKECAROJR - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400
POTRIPPER - Folds

this is his fourth PF fold so far in ~12-15 hands. But the hand after that:

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Ac Jh]
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400
POTRIPPER - Calls $8400
PLETT25 - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MIKECAROJR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10h Qs 2c]
MONSTERHOOD - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $28000
MONSTERHOOD - Folds

If the hand before that was a 'respect the EP raiser' spot, this one seems odd. These are the first four hands at the FT, in order. Tentative conclusion: When he moved to the FT, the hole card cam wasn't on, and turning it on takes a few seconds - maybe you need to specify the table.

Hand 5: Potripper raises UTG and steals the blinds.
Hand 6:

CRAZYMARCO - Raises $7175 to $7175
MIKECAROJR - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $4375
*** FLOP *** [3d 5h 9d]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Bets $10175
POTRIPPER - Calls $10175
*** TURN *** [3d 5h 9d] [Jc]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** RIVER *** [3d 5h 9d Jc] [2d]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Bets $25175
POTRIPPER - Folds

Somebody ask CrazyMarco what he had here. I think this is important.

Hand 7:

*** POCKET CARDS ***
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $3200
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MIKECAROJR - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $8000 to $9600
PLETT25 - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $6400
*** FLOP *** [10d 5s Ah]
POTRIPPER - Bets $12800
THE_GUN_SHOW - All-In(Raise) $37440 to $37440
POTRIPPER - Folds

I'm willing to bet TheGunShow had exactly a ten. DUCY?

Hand 8: Potripper steals blinds with an uncalled 8x raise

Hand 9:

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kc 2h]
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MIKECAROJR - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $9600 to $9600
POTRIPPER - Raises $25600 to $25600

Hand 10: Potripper steals blinds

Hand 11:

POTRIPPER - Raises $9600 to $9600
PLETT25 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $6400
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5h As]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $19200
CRAZYMARCO - Folds

Hand 12: Potripper open folds PF, folding for the first time since hand #3 of the FT

POTRIPPER - Folds
eventually...
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [Ac Ah] (Two Pair, aces and nines)

Hand 13:

CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $4975
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ad 8c]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jc Ad 8c] [6h]
POTRIPPER - Bets $3200
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $3200
*** RIVER *** [Jc Ad 8c 6h] [Js]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Bets $25175
POTRIPPER - Folds

another minbet bluff from PR on the turn. I'll put $ on CM having a jack here.

Hand 14: Potripper sees souls good

THE_GUN_SHOW - Raises $7660 to $7660
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $6060
PLETT25 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 6s Jc]
POTRIPPER - Checks
THE_GUN_SHOW - Checks
*** TURN *** [5h 6s Jc] [9c]
POTRIPPER - Checks
THE_GUN_SHOW - Bets $9500
POTRIPPER - Raises $25400 to $25400
THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $15900
*** RIVER *** [5h 6s Jc 9c] [6c]
POTRIPPER - Bets $17000
THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $17000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10d Jd] (Two Pair, jacks and sixes)
Seat 7: THE_GUN_SHOW HI: [Mucked] [9d Kd]

Hand 15: he steals blinds

Hand 16:

THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $8175
PLETT25 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $24000 to $25600
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds

okay, another one of these. doubledrag does this a whole lot in his cash games, too. but you can argue this is evidence of legitimacy.

Hand 17: the second PF fold to one raise since hand #3

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Jh Js]
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8000 to $8000
POTRIPPER - Folds

18: Pot steals blinds

19: first flop check/fold of the session, I think?

PLETT25 - Raises $10800 to $10800
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $7200
*** FLOP *** [8s Jd 4h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
PLETT25 - Bets $10800
POTRIPPER - Folds

20:

POTRIPPER - Raises $5400 to $7200
PLETT25 - Calls $3600
*** FLOP *** [7h 4c Ac]
POTRIPPER - Bets $3600
PLETT25 - Calls $3600
*** TURN *** [7h 4c Ac] [Kd]
POTRIPPER - Bets $7200
PLETT25 - Folds

the stack sizes now look like this:

Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($51454 in chips)
Seat 5 - BLANCONEGRO ($144882.04 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGSLICK444 ($39110.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($359474 in chips)
Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($66800 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($318279.46 in chips)

21: first potripper open limp of the session, which comes on the button

POTRIPPER - Calls $3600
PLETT25 - Calls $1800
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $12500 to $16100
POTRIPPER - Calls $12500
PLETT25 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10h 7s 7d]
BLANCONEGRO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $3600
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $16000 to $16000
POTRIPPER - Calls $12400
*** TURN *** [10h 7s 7d] [Jh]
BLANCONEGRO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $43200
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $111600 to $111600
POTRIPPER - Raises $180000 to $223200
BLANCONEGRO - All-In $822.04
POTRIPPER - returned ($110777.96) : not called
*** RIVER *** [10h 7s 7d Jh] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [7c 9h] (Three of a kind, sevens)
BLANCONEGRO - Shows [Jc Kd] (Two Pair, jacks and sevens)

22: Note that a 5 is missing from the deck to start this hand

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [5s 6d]
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $10800 to $10800
PLETT25 - Folds
BIGSLICK444 - All-In(Raise) $36590.50 to $38390.50
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $27590.50
*** FLOP *** [Ks 3h 10c]
*** TURN *** [Ks 3h 10c] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 3h 10c Kh] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [Jd Kc] (Three of a kind, kings)
BIGSLICK444 - Shows [5c 5d] (Two Pair, kings and fives)

23: pot steals blinds

24: pot folds for the third or fourth time since hand 3

PLETT25 - Raises $10800 to $10800
POTRIPPER - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Raises $30175 to $30175
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
PLETT25 - All-In(Raise) $35614 to $46414
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $16239
*** FLOP *** [Qc 6c 8s]
*** TURN *** [Qc 6c 8s] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 6c 8s 4s] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PLETT25 - Shows [Kh Ks] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [3h 3s] (One pair, threes)

hand 25: first potripper checkdown

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [9c 4d]
CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $6375
PLETT25 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c 4c]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 4c] [6h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 4c 6h] [5h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [8d Js] (Straight, two to six)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [4h Ac] (Straight, two to six)

hand 26: note two diamonds are missing

Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [4d 3d]
MONSTERHOOD - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $7200 to $7200
PLETT25 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $3600
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2h 5d]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 2h 5d] [Kd]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $7200
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $7200
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2h 5d Kd] [8h]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $14400
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $14400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [Jd Ac] (One pair, aces)
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [9d 8d]

27:

POTRIPPER - Raises $7200 to $7200
PLETT25 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
MONSTERHOOD - Calls $3600 with two random cards that aren't an A, 5 or 4
*** FLOP *** [4c Ad 5c]
MONSTERHOOD - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $7200
MONSTERHOOD - Folds

28: he has the pot odds to make this call if he puts monsterhood exactly on A3

Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($51680 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($558072 in chips)
Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($93188 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($277060 in chips)
MONSTERHOOD - Ante $360
POTRIPPER - Ante $360
PLETT25 - Ante $360
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $360
MONSTERHOOD - Posts small blind $1800
POTRIPPER - Posts big blind $3600
Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [As 3d]
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PLETT25 - Folds
CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175
MONSTERHOOD - All-In(Raise) $49520 to $51320
POTRIPPER - Calls $47720
CRAZYMARCO - Folds
*** TURN *** [Jh Qc 5d] [Kd]
*** FLOP *** [Jh Qc 5d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Qc 5d Kd] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MONSTERHOOD - Shows [As 3d] (One pair, aces)
POTRIPPER - Shows [Qh 10s] (Straight, ten to ace)


some debate ensues about what those hands could/do mean.
Adanthar pwns.

"that tourney summary is no where close to supporting the case of cheating, if anything it has swayed me the other way temporarily (until the next installment!)"


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you are right, that FT summary alone is insufficient:


Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot




-------and then Adanthar clarifies some things.
"Minus the first two hands at the FT where I don't think he was cheating, the HH from 8 handed to 4 handed lasts 26 hands.

In total, he folded PF 5 times. One was when he called a raise and then folded to CM's squeeze behind. Of the other four, two were open folds and two were folds to a raise in front.

The raises in front were QQ 1x and JJ 1x. When he open folded, people behind him had AA 1x and KK 1x.

He also open limped on the button once (there were no other open limps in this HH), with 97s vs. what turned out to be KJo. "



----- several props/former props for Absolute chime in with interesting stories. For this thread they are irrelevant- read the other thread if you want them.


------Adanthar asks for new cliffsnotes. I step up the plate.



Hope this helps.

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I could get my whole HH for the turney if you guys think its worth it... I played a decent amount with potripper

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if it's as lolworthy as these 28 hands, plz do

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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Cuz that's gay.

All the cool kids use "omnipaccount" or "omnisciuser".

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ZOMG, title change plz.

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The only part I wish this forum would exercise a little more caution about is the allegations about Seif's potential involvement. Those claims are very, very dubious (i'm not ruling anything out, but I personally REALLY doubt that he has anything to do with this), and the only potential substantiation comes in the form of an uncorroborated report from a guy who Seif ran over HU >> WHO HAS SINCE RECANTED!

I just bring these points up to do my best to maintain this thread's credibility. The PT stats and HHs are IRON-CLAD, FOOL-PROOF, CONCLUSIVE. No reasonable pair of eyes can disagree with them. The allegations about Seif, on the other hand, belong in fairy-tale land (for now), and they shouldn't be held out to be authoritative; all they do for now is detract from the rest of the evidence's perceived legitimacy.

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teddy- I pondered a bit before even linking that. in retrospect I could have/should have left it out- but even I wasnt sure where exactly the entire thread had gone on it or where this thread was going.
I did make sure to point out the player retracted that spin on it, and also that it was irrelevant to the actual discussion in this thread.
I certainly tried to keep this thread on point and limited to the actual data/actions/ concrete stuff with exceptions for things I found hilarious. In BBV it would be a crime to not have included some of those.

If I missed in that particular instance I apologize.

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This is a cliffsnotes of the old cliffsnotes thread regarding the suspected cheating accounts at Absolute.

lol i stopped right there..super account LOLOLOL

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Welcome to the thread.

Either try to see past premise and read it or post pics of your mom/sister/gf.

Thanks.

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ikestoys, dont tilt!!

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ikestoys, dont tilt!!

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http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ute-thread.html

AP made a statement there. Sorry if this has already been posted.

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So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping

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