AA on 922 Board
 

Villain was 15/12/2 over 322 datamined hands, no special reads.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $242.95
CO: $200
Button: $257.70
SB: $204.35
BB: $200

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $59</font>, Hero ?

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

I think you can pretty much elimate him having a 2. It was a pretty big raise, and the first thing I would put him on is A9.

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

you think a 15/12:
1. calls w. A9 to an UTG raise.
2. raises A9 on this board to an UTG raiser.

I think this is 99-JJ, or a flush draw with 2 overs a LOT of the time.

3bet to 150

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

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I think this is 99-JJ, or a flush draw with 2 overs a LOT of the time.

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but we have the Ah and it's quite improbable that villain calls PFR with KQs.

but i agree with the 3bet

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

why would villain not call a PFR with KhQh?

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just shove. he's calling with all good hands he's raised with stuff like 99+/hearts/etc. you could call and like 1/2 pot turn or something.

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just shove.

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I sorta like call crai turn depending on card. These guys love to "raise for info" and when you shove I just don't think he's calling with an overpair.

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i agree that this is a raise for info VS this opponent. You need to get tricky to stack him here, go for the turn CRAI

or donk bet turn for 15% of pot, leaving him just enough to room to think he can push you off your hand, rep mid pair yourself and mid pair will stay in the hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

Actually I like call flop and lead turn because he's checking behind the turn a ton here.

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calling here and c/r all in on turn defines your hand a lot more than shoving now. they never fold TT to me on this board.

Best reason for that line, imo is that his range is largely bluffs on this board.

Imrahil's line of leading turn semi-weak is ok cause they'll be like, he has a draw, I has 77, I shove some of the time I guess.

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

Arr in, if he has 99 or finish his flush its destiny

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Actually I like call flop and lead turn because he's checking behind the turn a ton here.

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Imrahil- what's the advantage of this over 3betting on the flop. do you think his calling range on the turn will be wider?

I'm asking because i haven't incorporated this line into my game.

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

bah i said it first, why is everyone on hills nuts!

grrr no respect around here. answer the mans question.. he asked you directly! :P

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But if he has two hearts, he is going to love the opportunity to check behind the turn and get another free card and we are OOP.

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But if he has two hearts, he is going to love the opportunity to check behind the turn and get another free card and we are OOP.

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That's what i thought, if he has a heart draw, or even TT/JJ, he probally raises the flop for a free river card.


I just shoved and he showed 32s...

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when you shove I just don't think he's calling with an overpair.

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O RRY?

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

meh a 2 is like 2% of his range. A2 suited thats about it, and that would be a hand that calls outta the BB.

this is a mid pair or a 9T something (kicker means nothing because of paired 2's anyhow so who cares bout a nine combo)

70% of the time mid pair is simply raising to take it down. 10% air, 13% flush draw
5% 999

play accordingly for max value with my made up numbers

edit* you should be telling us your table stats so we know how they perceive you also... if your 32/27/5 and stuck 200... pushing here is super max value on flop because you could have such a wide range.

but if your 11/9/1 3 betting this flop all in only gets called by KK,AA,999 or a 2..

you know what i means? oh noes

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

I was running about 21/19/3,5 on this table

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i push flop then

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It's a push, you are basically only behind to 2 hands here. For anyone to raise that big with 99 he is either dumb or trying to out level you. 2x is ok with that amount of raise I guess. However, since a flush draw is there, 3 bet AI is the best play under these circumstances. I don't mind call and CRAI on turn when a blank falls

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there is only 99 beating you here. i would push

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when you shove I just don't think he's calling with an overpair.

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O RRY?

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Well he's 15/12 so I feel like he maybe raising the flop w/ TT or JJ "seeing where he's at" and will talk himself into folding if we push because he puts us on AA or KK now. But maybe I'm wrong and maybe these guys will be more than happy to get it in here with any overpair.

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Actually I like call flop and lead turn because he's checking behind the turn a ton here.

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Imrahil- what's the advantage of this over 3betting on the flop. do you think his calling range on the turn will be wider?

I'm asking because i haven't incorporated this line into my game.

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He wouldn't expect an overpair to call flop and lead turn so he may be more willing to call us down because our line doesn't look very strong.

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Wow at some thought processes here.

Basically, you have the nuts, but you are vulnerable if villain has a draw. He's also not folding an overpair very often. Not all 15/12s would raise an overpair here, but the ones that do are doing it with the intention of fist-pump calling if you push.

And let's not discount how often he's "trapping" with KK because you raise pre-flop so much.

How is this not the easiest insta-push ever?

Oh, and btw, this:

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He wouldn't expect an overpair to call flop and lead turn so he may be more willing to call us down because our line doesn't look very strong.


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is lol because calling and donking the turn looks monstrously strong. Name some weak hands you'd do this with on this board.

And 1/4th of the time the turn is a heart or a 9, and then donking the turn makes your hand a bluff. Or it could be a Q/K and scare his JJ. Etc.

Re: AA on 922 Board
 

Get it in. You're crushed by 99, that's it. And he'll call with worse than that. If he has 99, good for him.

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Wow at some thought processes here.

Basically, you have the nuts, but you are vulnerable if villain has a draw. He's also not folding an overpair very often. Not all 15/12s would raise an overpair here, but the ones that do are doing it with the intention of fist-pump calling if you push.

And let's not discount how often he's "trapping" with KK because you raise pre-flop so much.

How is this not the easiest insta-push ever?

Oh, and btw, this:

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He wouldn't expect an overpair to call flop and lead turn so he may be more willing to call us down because our line doesn't look very strong.


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is lol because calling and donking the turn looks monstrously strong. Name some weak hands you'd do this with on this board.

And 1/4th of the time the turn is a heart or a 9, and then donking the turn makes your hand a bluff. Or it could be a Q/K and scare his JJ. Etc.

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Ummm a guy raising this flop with an overpair doesn't understand wtf we're doing when we bet the turn so he calls or shoves his overpair. And he's not putting us on a range on the turn. He may just think we have a 9 or 88 or some other [censored]. There's no way that he's more willing to stack off on the flop if we shove than if we call and bet the turn. But if this guys going to fist pump call flop shove then sure, shoving is awesome.

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Actually, I don't think this guy has an overpair a lot here. And based on his raise size it feels like he may have a FD + overs, something like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].