Pokerstars: VPP per hand
 

I know this has been asked before, but searching is difficult as loads of threads have been made that have all the key words but don't answer the question. Also, if it hasn't been done since the games changed due to the new law it's a good time to go over it.

I'm wondering what the rate of VPP per hand is at the various stakes. If just a few people post for each limit, we should have them all pretty quickly. It doesn't take a very large sample at all for this to converge, a few thousand hands should do. It will vary person to person, but probably only a bit.

Here is the breakdown from Pokerstars site:
First Frequent Player Point (FPP) is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches:

* $0.40 for fixed limit poker games with stakes $1/$2 and lower
* $0.40 for NL/PL poker games with blinds $1/$2 and lower
* $1.00 for all other games

Second FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches:

* $2.00 for all 6-max tables (this doesn't apply for games being played 6- handed at 10/9/8 player tables - just 6-max tables)
* $3.00 for all other tables

Third FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches $5.00.

To find this in Pokertracker, after filtering so you only have a given limit (and full or 6 max), in the upper right corner it says "Only show hands with at least [ ] rake." Enter 2.00 if you play 6 max and 3 if you play full, then click filter and get all. Remember the number of games displayed displayed. If you play limit 1/2 or lower or NL 1/2 blinds or lower, enter .40 into the filter and redo it, otherwise enter 1.00. Again click filter and get all. Add the number of games displayed to the number you got before and divide by the total number of games.

Starting in mid december, I have played 5,385 hands of NL50 (blinds .25/.5). I earned .257 VPP per hand over that stretch.

Any others, including repeating the same limit, that people want to post would be appreciated.

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200nl full ring: .567vpp/hand based on 14,136 hand sample size since jan 1 07.

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10/20 6max: 1.4 vpp/hand
15/30 6max: 1.5 vpp/hand

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10/20 6max: 1.4 vpp/hand
15/30 6max: 1.5 vpp/hand

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5/10 6 max 1.1 vpp/hand

chez

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2-4 6 max .45 VPP per hand

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100nl full ring .445 VPP per hand

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I must be retarded, but I cant find the filter. Is it at the summary tab in pokertracker?

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Sorry, it's "Game Notes". You get only one limit by filtering in preferences.

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Total DB of 200K hands

100nl full ring .471 VPP/hand

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100NL full ring .45 VPP per hand

44761 hands
18058 hands > $.4 rake
2080 hands > $3 rake

20138 / 44761 = .45 (approx)

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NL2/4 6M : .636 approx

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.235 VPP per hand at .25/.50 NL 6 max over 5.8K hands. Seems low to me given that I was on monkey tilt and possibly insane monkey tilt for about 1/3 of these hands. You would think that would bloat the pots...

Hopefully some people will post 6 max $1 NL I'm curious.

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200nl six max 0.57 +/-.02

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200NL 6m .56

confirmed above

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200nl six max 0.57 +/-.02

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Since ban.

400NL: 0.68
400NL 6Max: 0.63

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anyone no the numbers for 200 NL full ring?

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$2/4 NL 0.6558

$3/6 NL 0.7631

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what i mean is the 200 NL 1-2 blinds full ring

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PLO100 FR: 0.69 VPP/hand
PLO200 FR: 0.99 VPP/hand

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what i mean is the 200 NL 1-2 blinds full ring

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0.57 as with 6-max

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2/4 NL 6-max: .622 vpp/hand (48k hands)
3/6 NL 6-max: .784 vpp/hand (34k hands)
5/10 NL 6-max: .840 vpp/hand (25k hands)

Couldn't someone with a large observed database form a query to do this quickly and more accurately for all levels?

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2/4 FR Limit, 4,573 hands, .429 VPP per hand.

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Third FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches $5.00.

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When does it reach 5$?

In my db the rake has never been more than 3$ playing 100$ NL FR and 200$ NL FR.

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Third FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches $5.00.

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When does it reach 5$?

In my db the rake has never been more than 3$ playing 100$ NL FR and 200$ NL FR.

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limit, i think

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The restricted games

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I think it's $5 at 100/200 or something like that.

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100nl full ring .445 VPP per hand

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what i mean is the 200 NL 1-2 blinds full ring

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it's the first reply man

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100nl 6max 0.405 vpp/hand in 40k hands

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I filtered this to only include tables with 8 or more players.
Small sample size on the NL (483 hands), but I'd guess it converges quickly. Interesting to see the plateau that happens at 15/30 LHE. Anyone figured up where the plateau happens in NL?

5/10 NL Fullring: 1.02VPP/hand (n=483 hands)

5/10 Limit Full : 1.08VPP/hand (n=7356 hands)
10/20 Limit Full: 1.36VPP/hand (n=4044 hands)
15/30 Limit Full: 1.51VPP/hand (n=7209 hands)
30/60 Limit Full: 1.49VPP/hand (n=9284 hands)

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Nobody's mentioned them yet, but the pots are generally larger in split pot games and VPPs seem to accrue faster in these games, especially at the smaller stakes. I don't use pokertracker so I don't have exact numbers but I'd say someone who multitables small stakes LO8 or Stud 8 will end up with significantly more VPPs than someone who plays the same number of tables of LHE.

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100nl 6max 0.463 VPP/hand over 5,5k hands

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.6 vpp's hand at 1/2nl 6max over 11.6k hands

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1/2 FR LHE .444 10170 hands

2/4 FR LHE .467 18679 hands

3/6 FR LHE .617 13735 hands

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Anyone figured up where the plateau happens in NL?

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I'm pretty sure my calculations awhile back for $5/10 NL and $10/20 NL were almost identical, maybe even with $5/10 NL being slightly ahead. I'd have to dig through my old db because I've dropped limits for the time being...

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50NL FR: .242 vpps after 11223 Hands

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vpp per hand for NL100 6 max?

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I suck at VPPs.

Since 1/1/07 @ 200NL (full ring):
8653 VPP in 17,513 hands = .495 VPP/hand.

I checked the same parameters for the last 4 months of 2006, (when I didn't play much of this game on Stars):

9/01/2006 - 12/31/2006 @ 200NL (full ring):
8512 VPP in 14,797 hands = .575 VPP/hand

How can there be this big a difference?

Rigged??? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I'll throw in my two cents here for the seven card games:

7 Card Stud Hi:
1/2 = .434
2/4 = .435
*interesting*

7 Card Stud Hi/Lo:
1/2 = .507
2/4 = .576

Razz: *small sample but to just give an idea*
1/2 = .278 (1400 hands)
2/4 = .303 (1200 hands)